1 of 1's

[dallascisco]

Do you think the rise of 1/1 items in recent years is good or bad for the hobby?

[jpc879]

I think it really is bad for the hobby, because they are coming out with printing plates and one of ones in every product. Especially Moments and Milestones baseball....I really like the 1/1's that are auto'd or logo patches, but normal one of ones like printing plates or special bordered cards they don't have to be that high...

[OnePimpTiger]

I like a 1/1 if it's actually something different...but just putting a different colored border on one card and calling it a 1/1, even though it is exactly the same as all the others w/just a different color border, is stupid in my opinion. I actually saw a Gaines Adams Contenders 1/1 and the only reason it was 1/1 was because it said Championship Ticket on the front....otherwise it's exactly the same as a base auto. I actually do like the printing plates, I think that's a unique thing that the hobby started and it's a lot more cut and dry 1/1....they don't just add a stamp or another color to the card, that truly is the only one like it out there.

[bearfield]

1/1s are just another gimmick, and not rare or white whales anymore. one card companys brand has 50 subsets with 1/1s.

printing plates are actually not 1/1s, they are 1/4. they are just a subset. they are just variations, because they cannot stand alone. you need all 4 to make a card. anybody that says otherwise is just scamming us, weather its a card company, beckett, a dealer, or another collector.

if you have the 4 plates that are used to make a 1 of 1, what do you call them? and is the 1/1 card still a 1/1?

question---if i call my thumb a finger, how many fingers do i have?

answer---8, you can call it anything you want, its still a thumb.

you can call plates 1/1s, but they are still 1/4. a real 1 of 1 can stand alone.

[OnePimpTiger]

Using that logic, I could look at a SPA Peterson auto #'d/50 and say "Well SPA put out 500 different autos of Peterson, so it's actually 1/500" or "Peterson has 3,000 autos total, so it's actually a 1/3,000"...you're just generalizing and not looking at differences. It's just the opposite logic of people who say "the serial # is his jersey number so it's actually a 1/1"...they're looking at too small differences.

It all depends on how you look at things...each printing plate is different from the others, so I consider them different pieces. Using your example, yes you have 8 fingers, but only 2 index fingers, so they would be 1/2 in my opinion...they're different from the others.

I do think that, for the most part, 1/1s are just another gimmick that the hobby is over producing. When you add a tiny little difference in a card, such as a two word stamp, just to be able to call it 1/1...I think that's just telling collectors how dumb you think they are. I look at printing plates differently because the companies aren't making them separately just to call them 1/1. They are and have been parts of the process of making cards...they did nothing to change them, just decided to start selling them. Do they do a little too much of it, heck yeah...when a player has 200 different cards but 40 of them are 1/1 printing plates, they've gone a little too far.

[dallascisco]

To take that thought even further. Card companies have 2 or 3 press plates for every color. They keep 1 or 2 in a vault for reprints at a later date.

1/1s are just another gimmick, and not rare or white whales anymore. one card companys brand has 50 subsets with 1/1s.

printing plates are actually not 1/1s, they are 1/4. they are just a subset. they are just variations, because they cannot stand alone. you need all 4 to make a card. anybody that says otherwise is just scamming us, weather its a card company, beckett, a dealer, or another collector.

if you have the 4 plates that are used to make a 1 of 1, what do you call them? and is the 1/1 card still a 1/1?

question---if i call my thumb a finger, how many fingers do i have?

answer---8, you can call it anything you want, its still a thumb.

you can call plates 1/1s, but they are still 1/4. a real 1 of 1 can stand alone.

[bearfield]

Using that logic, I could look at a SPA Peterson auto #'d/50 and say "Well SPA put out 500 different autos of Peterson, so it's actually 1/500" or "Peterson has 3,000 autos total, so it's actually a 1/3,000"...you're just generalizing and not looking at differences. It's just the opposite logic of people who say "the serial # is his jersey number so it's actually a 1/1"...they're looking at too small differences.

generalizing is saying that of 200 cards signed and numbered, each one of the numbered cards has different number so each is a 1/1.

It all depends on how you look at things...each printing plate is different from the others, so I consider them different pieces. Using your example, yes you have 8 fingers, but only 2 index fingers, so they would be 1/2 in my opinion...they're different from the others.

if you're going to carry it that far, each signature is different. are they 1/1s?

I do think that, for the most part, 1/1s are just another gimmick that the hobby is over producing. When you add a tiny little difference in a card, such as a two word stamp, just to be able to call it 1/1...I think that's just telling collectors how dumb you think they are. I look at printing plates differently because the companies aren't making them separately just to call them 1/1. They are and have been parts of the process of making cards...they did nothing to change them, just decided to start selling them. Do they do a little too much of it, heck yeah...when a player has 200 different cards but 40 of them are 1/1 printing plates, they've gone a little too far.

i still say that the 4 plates are a subset.

[dallascisco]

I thought they would be a parallel set?

i still say that the 4 plates are a subset.