86 fleer mj rc decrease in value over the years?

[newplayer]

I just started to get into this hobby about 2 years ago, but I remember the price was much higher in the mid to late 90s. How much did a PSA9 go for back then? It was around $1500-$1600 right? Now you can just get one for around $1100 on ebay (some seller would even go lower than that). Is it just because of the economy crisis that drives the price down? Or is it because more ppl are getting their cards out in the open, more supply hence lower value? If the economy crisis is the main reason for the lower price, then wouldn't you think now is the best time to invest in one? But then again there's always a chance that the hobby would not be the same 10-15 years from now and that nobody will be willing to pay $1100 for a piece of cardboard.

[jeebus86]

I think it's largely due to the whole risk involved in purchasing a Jordan RC. Since there are so many Fakes out there, I think the card lost it's appeal over the years.

I mean, it's gotten to the point where I don't even trust graded ones anymore..

[newplayer]

I think it's largely due to the whole risk involved in purchasing a Jordan RC. Since there are so many Fakes out there, I think the card lost it's appeal over the years.

I mean, it's gotten to the point where I don't even trust graded ones anymore..

Really? I always have the feeling that graded cards are pretty safe, even for a mj rc. That obviously only holds true if you meet these criteria:
-the serial number checks out
-the grading company's seal is not breached
-all of these factors checked out: https://www.sportscardforum.com/showt...e+jordan+fleer

[tarheelsnipe]

Counterfeits are the major reason. The hobby never really suffers at the high end because of recessions. You'll really see the price drops at the mid- to low-end of the market. High grade MJ's from PSA and BGS still get a nice premium. I got mine for just under $1,000, and I consider it very high end. The graders are aware of the giveaway signs of the fakes. Luckily, counterfeiters weren't as sophisticated as they are today.

I know what Jeebus is saying, but I'm more afraid of the current MJ auto and GU cards. UD is trying to fight back by posting pictures of card styles on their online checklists, but the criminals keep finding ways to circumvent the system.

As far as the hobby not being around, that won't happen. Cards, stamps, coins, comics, etc... There's a collector for everything. The truly amazing pieces, like the Jordan RC, will always be in demand.

[newplayer]

So you pretty much agree with jeebus as to why there's a $500 price drop from mid-late nineties? that the main reason is the huge risk of the card being counterfeit? But like I said, if a card checks out with the above criteria, then it would be almost a guarantee that's authentic, wouldn't it? Or is there something that I'm missing?
btw when did you get your PSA9 for under $1000? I think that's a steal

[tarheelsnipe]

I got mine in January this year. I spent several MONTHS on my Ebay watchlist. I finally found mine from a seller in Florida. I got lucky. The average price for a 9 was between $1,100 - $1,400.

And yes, the counterfeits are the main reason for the price drop. Be wary of any collector selling a raw MJ. It only costs them $10 - $20 to get the card graded - and remember, if it's graded 8 or better, it will draw a premium. If they refuse to get it graded before selling, they're either dishonest, unsure of the authenticity, or just plain stubborn. The main excuse I hear as to why they don't have them graded, "I collect raw cards and don't like them graded". You can see through that story if they're trying to sell it. $10 to grade it for a $100+ profit on a PSA/BGS 8 graded card. Who turns down free money in this hobby?

[LakersMC]

I also think it's due to a general downturn in vintage cards. Everyone goes for the new stuff, like Exquisite (if you have $1000 to spend). I remember the '85 Star Co. Jordan peaked at like $6000 (bv). I'm guessing it is around $2000 or less now.