Beckett Going and Gone

[maple19]

Ok I been buying my Beckett Hockey in my Town each Issue since 1990 plus every once in while baseball & basketball when he could get them in which was not very often

Just found out today that the General Store will not be Getting them any more he sold 6 a month in a small town ..

I now have to go to Lindsay to get one which is 20 Minutes Away

PS Tuff Stuff has not been sold around here since 1997

mike

[rksnascards]

Mike:

I can't wait for our OPG to become effective....NO more Beckett!...(although I will buy the annuals every couple of years for informational purposes).

[aweeks]

i agree...beckett is no good!

[roy.the.greatest]

As long as not a single price guide wants to list values for cards with a print run lower than 25, no price guide can be useful anymore in the hobby. The reason why we use a price guide is to check the value of our valuable cards, so the rare cards; who does need a price guide to check the value of a common card? Beckett was totally unuseful over the last decade.

[30ranfordfan]

I hear that complaint so much about Beckett (or any other Price Guide). I still think Beckett's decision not to list those prices is the right one.

If there are 25 copies of a card, how many sales will Beckett actually see? 10? Maybe less? They'll still put a price on that.

When you get under 25.... how can you say what a fair "list" value for a card is? You can't. It's impossible. One day the card might sell for $150, the next day it might only sell for $40. There are too many highs and lows, and not enough transaction to balance it out.

A Crosby YG, for example, let's say it sells in the range if $150 to $300. I'm sure you will find one, at sometime, that sells for only $100 or less, and there will probably be some that get $350 or even $400. There are so many transactions that fall between the $150 and $300 range that you can accuratly make those as the HI and LO values.

Then take the HG /10 on the same Crosby card. How many times have one of these been sold? I don't know the answer. What did they sell for? $5,000 ?? $2,500?? $7,500?? If one goes up for auction, and two guys get into a bidding war.... maybe the card sells for $6,000. Another goes up for auction 3 months later, and maybe it only sells for $2,000. What is the right price?

There is not enough information to set a value on low #ed cards.

A database of completed sales would be useful, I suppose. But that would take a lot of resources to compile.

[napuke46]

This arguement will be an arguement as long as Upper Deck continue to manufacture cards with numbers that low. Fact is that NPDTS cards are a pain in the butt in the trading world of this hobby. At least in sales you can set a price and move on. Trading becomes and issue and I for one dont care to ever own another one as they are just to much of a pain the rear to deal with.

TJ

[OPCfan]

Mike:

I can't wait for our OPG to become effective....NO more Beckett!...(although I will buy the annuals every couple of years for informational purposes).

SCF has an OPG?

[jagrnyr68]

SCF has an OPG?

not yet but when it does become effective, i would love to help out.

[iidaemmi]

I hear that complaint so much about Beckett (or any other Price Guide). I still think Beckett's decision not to list those prices is the right one.

If there are 25 copies of a card, how many sales will Beckett actually see? 10? Maybe less? They'll still put a price on that.

When you get under 25.... how can you say what a fair "list" value for a card is? You can't. It's impossible. One day the card might sell for $150, the next day it might only sell for $40. There are too many highs and lows, and not enough transaction to balance it out.

A Crosby YG, for example, let's say it sells in the range if $150 to $300. I'm sure you will find one, at sometime, that sells for only $100 or less, and there will probably be some that get $350 or even $400. There are so many transactions that fall between the $150 and $300 range that you can accuratly make those as the HI and LO values.

Then take the HG /10 on the same Crosby card. How many times have one of these been sold? I don't know the answer. What did they sell for? $5,000 ?? $2,500?? $7,500?? If one goes up for auction, and two guys get into a bidding war.... maybe the card sells for $6,000. Another goes up for auction 3 months later, and maybe it only sells for $2,000. What is the right price?

There is not enough information to set a value on low #ed cards.

A database of completed sales would be useful, I suppose. But that would take a lot of resources to compile.

+ 1

Harri

[Drewk86a]

Do Price Guides include eBay (and other auction) sales when setting prices? I know they get information from retailers and card shops, but I think a more accurate picture would have to include all sales. Granted, inclusion of eBay sales would tend to lower the BV since most auctions close for far less than BV.

Actually, now that I think it through, basing BV on sale prices is a never-ending downward spiral. Imagine a card with a BV of $100. Nobody pays BV for a card anymore. It's like buying a car at sticker price! So someone buys the $100 card for $90. The seller reports the $90 sale to Beckett. Logical says that would make the "value" of that card $90. A month later another buyer buys the card (not paying BV) for $80. The seller reports to Beckett who reports the BV as $80. And so on... Am I wrong in thinking this is how BV is set?