Yet more record low temps

[drtom2005]

Bingo!



Oh dear Lord, you're actually buying into his crap. As I've told him repeatedly, I'm not trying to prove or disprove "global warming," I'm simply asking for all information to be considered. But since you asked, a simple Google search brings up some quick info:

"Satellite Evidence Against Global Warming Being Caused by Increasing CO2" Sept 8, 2009 (PDF)

"Impact of Duration Thresholds on Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Counts" May 16, 2009 - Evidence that increased hurricane activity very well may not be attributed to "global warming."

"Proposed NCEE Comments on Draft Technical Support Document for Endangerment Analysis for Greenhouse Gas Emissions Under the Clean Air Act" March 9, 2009 (PDF) - Which, by the way, is the report that the EPA did a good job of covering up to get the Clean Air Bill passed.

I already know your response dr, this science is not correct because you don't agree with it. But, even though I know it won't matter to you, let me say this to people who will listen: I'm not saying this is proof against "global warming"...I'm saying this is contrary scientific data that needs to be considered before a "solution" is formed. Read the first three paragraphs of the last link I posted...that is exactly how I feel about "global warming."

No. I have to look at all of the references now and who wrote them. JUst checking someof the first ones, they were opinion pieces and not actual science. This is going to take me weeks now. I will see if they refute of the evidence I have presented. Most of it is just commentary on estimates in the beginning. If they refute all the evidence, I will likely change my mind.

[drtom2005]

I honestly have to know about this. I remember a few months back there was a very large thread about the healthcare debate and you were dead set against admitting that studies and surveys could be scewed by who was giving them and who was taking them. And now I keep seeing you saying that it depends on who is givng them and who is taking them.
I just have to know what the difference is now with surveys being able to be viewed in different ways?
Just an honest question that I have been curious about.

Because people were presenting papers that go against all of the good evidence. Give me a good article that goes against my opinion and will look into it.

[drtom2005]

I find it intersting OPT that the last article just criticizes the newer articles. It then starts making it's supposed obvious points from articles from the 60's and 70's. I will continue to read these articles and will keep my mind open. I hope all the the articles are like the first 30 pages of the third article.

[drtom2005]

I also find it interesting that your article included solar radiance since this is a blanant lie. I will link to an article.

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...global_war.php

[Williy@anker]

Because people were presenting papers that go against all of the good evidence. Give me a good article that goes against my opinion and will look into it.

Dont really see how that makes sense you don't consider it good evidence so you just dismiss it. You have said several times in this thread that studies and surveys can be skewed and biased, but in other threads you flat out said that they could not be.
I dont see how you can dismiss a paper just because it goes against what you think is the right evidence. And you now flat out admit that surveys and studies can be skewed but only when it meets your point of view?

[OnePimpTiger]

I'm going to be very general about this, but I feel I know why some people are for spending money on global warming and others are against spending REGARDLESS of the data.

In America roughly 40% of Americans do NOT pay income tax. I have a feeling that most people AGAINST the government spending trillions of tax dollars fall into those that pay a lot of tax. Generally, if someone else is spending your money you usually want to feel that it is spent with a lot of thought and not wasted. Those that do NOT pay any tax at all really don't have a care if the government spends trillions of dollars fighting Global Warming because it is NOT their money that is being spent.

Typically, the other group of people that are for spending trillions on fighting man-made global warming are those making a living off of it. For example, Al Gore makes tens of millions of dollars annually and thousands of workers at the UN and universities only have a job if humans cause global warming. They have a vested interest for governments to fund and increase spending so they can get paid.

Generally speaking people are for trillions being spend fighting global warming because 1) it is not their money or 2) their income depends on it!

Very good point...obviously not everyone meets the criteria, but I'd say it's probably an accurate trend.

[WantToTrade]

I'm going to be very general about this, but I feel I know why some people are for spending money on global warming and others are against spending REGARDLESS of the data.

In America roughly 40% of Americans do NOT pay income tax. I have a feeling that most people AGAINST the government spending trillions of tax dollars fall into those that pay a lot of tax. Generally, if someone else is spending your money you usually want to feel that it is spent with a lot of thought and not wasted. Those that do NOT pay any tax at all really don't have a care if the government spends trillions of dollars fighting Global Warming because it is NOT their money that is being spent.

Typically, the other group of people that are for spending trillions on fighting man-made global warming are those making a living off of it. For example, Al Gore makes tens of millions of dollars annually and thousands of workers at the UN and universities only have a job if humans cause global warming. They have a vested interest for governments to fund and increase spending so they can get paid.

Generally speaking people are for trillions being spend fighting global warming because 1) it is not their money or 2) their income depends on it!

Cant people just accept global warming without spending trillions of dollars? I dont think that a rock solid solution is hard to come up with that minimizes our greenhouse gases emisions while keeping industry the same. You make it seem as if the greeners are just a bunch of hippies with no jobs and don't contribute to society.

[mikesilvia]

Cant people just accept global warming without spending trillions of dollars?

I do accept global warming, but I'm more inclined to believe that it is the sun that causes it, not humans. There was an ice age at one time and the ice melted. The sun did it not SUVs!

I dont think that a rock solid solution is hard to come up with that minimizes our greenhouse gases emisions while keeping industry the same.

I'm all for making our cars more fuel efficient and cleaner!

You make it seem as if the greeners are just a bunch of hippies with no jobs and don't contribute to society.

I said nothing about unemployment. I also said nothing about being a hippy.

There are 10s of thousands of people making money based on humans causing global warming. Are you saying that they are NOT biased?

Also, it is human nature to care more if it is your money getting spent. If you pay high taxes and see your money getting spent in a wasteful manner you generally will voice your opinion. If you do NOT pay tax you are more likely to care less.

For example, if you have stock in Microsoft you will likely care about the decision the Microsoft management make. If you don't own stock in Microsoft you will likely not care about the decisions they make and likely not even follow the share price or news!

[maccards44]

I swear I'm in this forum for five minutes and this is what I see:

First Post:

Aren't you suppose to get WARMER when global warming occurs????

Last Post:

I do accept global warming...

SURREAL as usual in the republicans & religion forum.

[mikesilvia]

I swear I'm in this forum for five minutes and this is what I see:

First Post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesilvia
Aren't you suppose to get WARMER when global warming occurs????

Last Post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesilvia
I do accept global warming...

SURREAL as usual in the republicans & religion forum.

You obviously haven't read the rest of my threads, but a nice "Michael More cut and edit" technique. :)

I have always believed the earth cools and warms naturally. I also believes humans have a tiny effect on this cooling and warming. I'm against spending trillions of dollars fighting man-made global warming. The sun and the rotation of the earth, moon, etc is what cools and heats the earth in a real way.

My uncle said it best.

The earth rotates/spins 1,000 miles an hour. The earth rotates around the sun around 70k miles per hour. The moon spins around the earth pretty fast. Our solar system is also traveling at high speeds. How in the world can humans think that we can stay at one temperature and be at the same distance from the sun and exact same axis?

The problem is most people really have no idea what is heating the earth and that is why they buy into the fact that humans cause global warming and not the sun.