Yet more record low temps

[maccards44]

It was a response to Yanks' Elitist attitudes when it comes to Grammar. I guess yanks is not alone.

I guess all of us who type in english and use words that actually exist are just a bunch of snobs then.

For the record, I wasn't picking apart your grammar or accusing you of having a dangling modifier (look it up) ... nobody cares about grammar in here, including me. I'm saying YOUR POSTS DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE alot of the time.

[OnePimpTiger]

Once again OPT, give me good evidence that does not have easily seen flaws to people with open eyes. Prove me wrong with good scientific papers that are not blanant opinion.

You say "easily seen flaws to people with open eyes," but you mean "anything the people I get my views from have told me is wrong."

So as not to waste any more of my time, I'll just repost this:

"Satellite Evidence Against Global Warming Being Caused by Increasing CO2" Sept 8, 2009 (PDF)

Published within the last month, hard to get much more current than that.

And I love how earlier you knocked one of my links for being opinion, then say part of it was a lie and your "proof" was a blog. Really...you're making it too easy.

[mikesilvia]

When the BBC is skeptical that is all I need to know that the recent warming as passed!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

And here is a surprise!

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

Since the article is less than 24 hours old I hope it is recent enough!

A funny fact that made sense to me, but not to others:

Sceptics argue that the warming we observed was down to the energy from the Sun increasing. After all 98% of the Earth's warmth comes from the Sun.

And finally ... checkmate.

To confuse the issue even further, last month Mojib Latif, a member of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) says that we may indeed be in a period of cooling worldwide temperatures that could last another 10-20 years.

Let's here some good responses!

[Titantron]

I guess all of us who type in english and use words that actually exist are just a bunch of snobs then.

For the record, I wasn't picking apart your grammar or accusing you of having a dangling modifier (look it up) ... nobody cares about grammar in here, including me. I'm saying YOUR POSTS DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE alot of the time.

and I explained that it probably shouldnt make sense to you. I was talking to Yanks on several different threads.

[drtom2005]

You say "easily seen flaws to people with open eyes," but you mean "anything the people I get my views from have told me is wrong."

So as not to waste any more of my time, I'll just repost this:

"Satellite Evidence Against Global Warming Being Caused by Increasing CO2" Sept 8, 2009 (PDF)

Published within the last month, hard to get much more current than that.

And I love how earlier you knocked one of my links for being opinion, then say part of it was a lie and your "proof" was a blog. Really...you're making it too easy.

I told you why I was skeptical of this paper. I have yet to have time to read the whole paper. What is their estimation of the effect on readings caused by the clouds? Is it 1,2,3% or 50%? It makes a big difference. What does the percent change mean to real temperature readings also? A good paper would state this in the abstract.

My questions are legitimate. Since you are the one who brought this as evidence, I hope you read the whole paper and can answer my questions quickly. If there is a big real world difference, where are the other papers on this topic? If it is a big deal in climatology, there should be many papers being published about this aspect.

[drtom2005]

When the BBC is skeptical that is all I need to know that the recent warming as passed!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

And here is a surprise!

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

Since the article is less than 24 hours old I hope it is recent enough!

A funny fact that made sense to me, but not to others:

Sceptics argue that the warming we observed was down to the energy from the Sun increasing. After all 98% of the Earth's warmth comes from the Sun.

And finally ... checkmate.

To confuse the issue even further, last month Mojib Latif, a member of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) says that we may indeed be in a period of cooling worldwide temperatures that could last another 10-20 years.

Let's here some good responses!

Did you read this part?

The UK Met Office's Hadley Centre, responsible for future climate predictions, says it incorporates solar variation and ocean cycles into its climate models, and that they are nothing new.

How do you account for this part of the paper?

One paper on two of the many pieces of evidence does not make a trend once again. If more information is published, I might change my mind. They would have to discount much more evidence for me to change my mind.

Since you brought this up, how are the simulations different? Do they program them differently? What data are each of the simulations using?

With everthing that I present, I can answer questions like these. If I do not know, I will state as such. This is what I am asking of people on scientific topics.

Politics is politics. If you want to debate me on the politics of global warming, I will most likely agree with most of what you say. I will not let anyone the deny the truth though. Global warming is happening. Now it is just how much damage we have done.

[Yanksfan396]

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

Find a calculator that tells you what per cent 11 is of 4,500,000,000. I'm sure you'll find 11 years is NOTHING. It's a long time to us, especially if you're creeping around 50 years-old, but you can't expect the temperature to rise EVERY YEAR to support global warming. We're talking broad scale here.

[Williy@anker]

Find a calculator that tells you what per cent 11 is of 4,500,000,000. I'm sure you'll find 11 years is NOTHING. It's a long time to us, especially if you're creeping around 50 years-old, but you can't expect the temperature to rise EVERY YEAR to support global warming. We're talking broad scale here.

On the other hand you cant use 4,500,000,000 either. You can only look at the last 10,000 - 15,000 years give or take when the Glaciers have started to receed from the last glacial period. Still a long span I know, but just saying.

[Yanksfan396]

On the other hand you cant use 4,500,000,000 either. You can only look at the last 10,000 - 15,000 years give or take when the Glaciers have started to receed from the last glacial period. Still a long span I know, but just saying.

That's true. Still proves the point that 10 years is a small survey size.

[mikesilvia]

Find a calculator that tells you what per cent 11 is of 4,500,000,000.

I didn't realize that humans were around warming the earth that long!

According to Al Gore and others, humans are only accountable for warming the earth for the past 50 years. So, 11 of 50 years is a good sum.

Here are plenty of models that Al Gore and his friends are using:




Looks like we are fine with the average.