The CUP Uncut Sheets Cut-up

[mikecole141]

Recently I had the pleasure of adding a second uncut sheet from 2008-09 The CUP to my Collection. However while looking up comparable prices on the bay for a reasonable price. I found that many of the uncut sheets are getting cut up and sold as 1/1 artists proofs (including 2 Base Jersey card variations making them 1/2 Artists proofs)
　
I know it is only one or two sellers on Ebay cutting them up that I can find. However the following have been cut up so far.

The first guy:
2007-08 CUP Autographed Foundations Quad Patches 1/2 (he is looking for $100 per player)
2008-09 CUP Foundations Quad Jersey 1/7 ( he is looking for $60 per player but the stars are not listed or have already sold)
2008-09 CUP Regular ARP Version 1/15 ($25.00 but the big names are gone)
2008-09 CUP Base Jersey Card Variation 1/8
2007-08 CUP Limited Logos 1/10 (Starting at $25.00)
2008-09 CUP Limited Logos 1/10 ($100 per player)
2008-09 CUP Dual NHL Autographed Shields 1/1 (he is looking for $1000 - $2500 depending on the player)
　
And the second guy:
2008-09 CUP Dual NHL Shields Non-Auto 1/1 looking for ($100 - $400 depending on the player)
2008-09 CUP Base Jersey Card Variation 1/8 (looking for $20 - $50 per player)
2008-09 CUP Base Auto Patch 1/1 ( looking for $25 - $60 per player)
　
　
So thats both 1/1 Uncut Shields Sheets and 1/1 Base Auto Patch destroyed and a bunch of others.
　
But what is everybody else's opinion on this? I personally find it ridiculous that not only are people are cutting them up. But find myself wondering why people are buying the cut up "non-cards". I personally like the sheets, UD even sends them out to you framed and ready for hanging. They make for a great conversation piece, and they are a really nice addition to a collection. However I feel that if you cut them up, a piece of history is being destroyed. As well the sellers are misinforming people in calling them an Artists proof. while some of the uncut sheets are 1/1, none of them are the artists proof. I understand wanting to get the most value out of something you are selling, but to destroy it in order to attempt to get more. I don't know if I would be able to look myself in the mirror if I destroyed something in order to sell it off. I don't think this is the same as breaking a set or a collection, as all you are doing is breaking up collated items rather than one physical item.

Anybody want to share their opinion?

[edthesandwich]

People willing to cut up and sell uncut sheets have absolutely no regard for the spirit of collecting and preservation.

To each his own, of course. We all know some people are in the hobby to make money. But it's such a travesty, in my eyes. Like breaking up a coin set because you need money to buy smokes. Or something like that.

[30ranfordfan]

I've got no problem with it. In fact, I bought a Ranford 07-08 Limited Logos 'card' that came from one of the uncut sheets.

There are a ton of people out there that bust boxes, keep what they want, and sell what they don't. They use those proceeds to buy more product, and do the same thing over again.

In the case of these uncut sheets - These guys have done the math, and know that they'll make way more cash selling the individual cards instead of the whole sheet. If that's what they want to do with it, why not?


I don't like the term 'Artist Proof' or even 1/1 being applied to them - that is a little dishonest..... like you said, that's not what they are. I don't recall the exact title the one I bought had, but in the description the seller clearly explained what it was. If he wants to call it an Artist's Proof, who am I to care? Even the 1/1 designation.... If I remember correctly he claimed that there was 'X' number of those sheets available (3, 5 - not sure anymore) and that his was likely the only one that was going to be cut up, making the card a possible 1/1. We all know that sellers like to use the 1/1 term because it will get them more views..... nowhere did he claim that it was actually something truly unique that could not exist anywhere else, just said it was unlikely.

[TheIronHorse4]

Hey Mike,
I know someone who is selling the uncut sheet of signature patches if you're interested. He's looking for $300 for it, in case you're collecting many of them.

[mikecole141]

I've got no problem with it. In fact, I bought a Ranford 07-08 Limited Logos 'card' that came from one of the uncut sheets.

There are a ton of people out there that bust boxes, keep what they want, and sell what they don't. They use those proceeds to buy more product, and do the same thing over again.

In the case of these uncut sheets - These guys have done the math, and know that they'll make way more cash selling the individual cards instead of the whole sheet. If that's what they want to do with it, why not?

Except that it is not breaking a box, a set, or a collection. Isn't it destroying the item as it was meant to be? Sure you have found something for your collection that you would never of had before. But would it not of been nicer to have the Uncut sheet in your Ranford collection instead?

I don't like the term 'Artist Proof' or even 1/1 being applied to them - that is a little dishonest..... like you said, that's not what they are. I don't recall the exact title the one I bought had, but in the description the seller clearly explained what it was. If he wants to call it an Artist's Proof, who am I to care? Even the 1/1 designation.... If I remember correctly he claimed that there was 'X' number of those sheets available (3, 5 - not sure anymore) and that his was likely the only one that was going to be cut up, making the card a possible 1/1. We all know that sellers like to use the 1/1 term because it will get them more views..... nowhere did he claim that it was actually something truly unique that could not exist anywhere else, just said it was unlikely.

In my Opinion, a little dishonest in still dishonest. The fact that they call them Artist Proofs and 1/1 in the title is a delibrate attempt to mislead. While the buyer also has to beware, there is no excuse for a seller to mislead in one spot then put it in smaller print further down the page what the item is actually.

Hey Mike,
I know someone who is selling the uncut sheet of signature patches if you're interested. He's looking for $300 for it, in case you're collecting many of them.

I only lucked into the second one yesterday, Someone had it come into Waynes and was trying to decide if they were going to keep it or not. I was there yesterday and and gave him an offer and he accepted. I don't think I am going to go looking for more.

[TMacfreak91]

I think that it is definitely a shame to see something like this done (the cutting up of the uncut sheets) because isn't the whole point of producing them so that they are UNcut sheets?

At the same time, from a collector's POV I understand the allure of buying one of the "non-cards" as you referred to them. It is a truly unique item (as a cut piece of the sheet) that not many player collectors of your favorite player can possibly have which means one more item that you would have that just about no one else possibly could possess.

That being said and while I still think it's wrong, I will still probably end up buying the Tim Kennedy one eventually as a nice rare/oddball item.

Just my 2 cents

Steve

[30ranfordfan]

I would actually say no. Personally, I'd have no interest in the whole sheet. Not sure what you paid for it, but I would assume 100s of dollars. It really wouldn't mean that much to me. Once the sheet was cut up, and I could have just the Ranford for $25, I looked at it as a cool oddball item, and snapped it up. That uncut sheet just isn't something I could see myself wanting to hang on the wall either.

I do agree with "a little dishonest in still dishonest". I wasn't trying to justify the 'creative' writing, but was pointing out how they could claim to be truthful. When I see 1/1 on eBay, I don't even treat it as a serious claim anymore. Most of the time it isn't. Someone thinks that their item is a one-of-a-kind, or has something unique about (first on in the run, last one, #ed to the player's jersey). It wasn't fine print though, it was clearly stated in the auction. Someone would miss it though if they only read the title.

Except that it is not breaking a box, a set, or a collection. Isn't it destroying the item as it was meant to be? Sure you have found something for your collection that you would never of had before. But would it not of been nicer to have the Uncut sheet in your Ranford collection instead?


In my Opinion, a little dishonest in still dishonest. The fact that they call them Artist Proofs and 1/1 in the title is a delibrate attempt to mislead. While the buyer also has to beware, there is no excuse for a seller to mislead in one spot then put it in smaller print further down the page what the item is actually.


I only lucked into the second one yesterday, Someone had it come into Waynes and was trying to decide if they were going to keep it or not. I was there yesterday and and gave him an offer and he accepted. I don't think I am going to go looking for more.

[Captngeetch]

To be honest...just because UD offered them as 1/1 etc. and inserted RED cards into their products doesn't mean they don't have additional sheets on hand. I would bet there's more than just those framed and sent to the lucky person who pulled or bought the RED. Who's to say they won't tun up on the market at some point...As for cutting them up..what a waste of a collectible. I've seen how they framed them and it's quite nice. I almost bought a Leetch about a week ago and decided against it. The seller claimed it was "Professionally cut" and a "true 1/1" and that it was "an artist proof used solely to approve the design". What a joke....but what do you expect from Ebay...much like America, it's the melting pot...but in it's case it's just for anything you could make a buck from.

[roy.the.greatest]

This kind of cards is in the same category as "cards shows": unknown quantity produced, no checklist available, consider it as a "bonus" for a collection. Since they were released as an uncut sheet fom the factory to the market, are the individual cards cut by Mr.Noname (from the factory uncut sheet) now tampered/trimmed collectibles? Good question.

[deankal]

If I had a hard core player collection and these came up........ I'd just pass on them. They're useless and I really wouldn't give the guy 2 cents for it.