PSA/DNA Dropping The Ball?

[duane1969]

I have looked at a lot of Jerome Bettis autoed items over the years and feel that I have a pretty good handle on what his auto looks like. This PSA/DNA certified auto looks highly questionable to me and makes me question PSA/DNAs authentication ability.



Here are a few other Bettis autos for comparison. Note: the helmet has a "Bus" hologram issued byt Bettis when he autos stuff at signings.

[whodeyalltheway]

I agree but everyone makes mistakes but that one seems very obvious

[SteakNchop]

PSA/DNA has never been accurate. There really is no way to surely tell if something is really signed by that exact person. The only time they are ever accurate is for old signed items, such as Babe Ruth. What I mean by that is they might take the time to notice that Babe Ruth wasn't alive when there were ROMLBs, batting gloves, etc. But anybody can figure that out.

[Vegas]

PSA/DNA has a huge library of exemplars that they use to authenticate signatures, so my guess is that Bettis signed his name like that at some point in his career.

[drumplayerr14]

Yea I agree with Vegas. Alot of times the players might be signing for a crowd of people, and may just do their initials or just a shorter version of their signature so they can get to more people. PSA/DNA usually can look thru an entire array of signature per celebrity/athlete to tell whats real and whats not. I personally own 2 bettis autographed pieces and the signatures are a bit different.

[tboculosis]

Yea I agree with Vegas. Alot of times the players might be signing for a crowd of people, and may just do their initials or just a shorter version of their signature so they can get to more people. PSA/DNA usually can look thru an entire array of signature per celebrity/athlete to tell whats real and whats not. I personally own 2 bettis autographed pieces and the signatures are a bit different.

Agreed. The helmet and sticker of the card looks as if they were signed in a sit down setting. Whereas the photo must have been signed in-person like Bettis getting off the team bus, after a game, training camp, etc. where he'll use a shorthanded version of his signature to sign for as much people as he could.

[Zues]

Yeah I agree. I have a signed ball by Jordan and Kobe I got in person. The jordan signature is a little different than most of his, but the kobe one looks the same when I compared. I can't question the legitimacy of PSA/DNA

[olemissfan20]

In my opinion PSA is garbage I don't trust them at all. On the other side of the ball. I got 4 jerseys signed by reggie bush at one time all looked the same. sent them in the authenticated 3 and rejected one. I have also seen lots of questionable items by them too.

[chajones]

It looks legit to me. When PSA or JSA or any of the 3rd party "verify" they are just saying that they either 1. The don't have any indication that it isn't real - therefore pass, or that 2. there is enough negative to make them question whether it is real - fail.

They never say it is 100% real or it is 100% wrong.

They say "we believe" it is real OR "we can't say for sure." They never say it isn't an authentic auto - we just assume that they answer in those terms.

But evaluating an auto has little to do with the position, shape etc of the auto. It has to do with pen strokes, where the pen presses harder and lighter throughout and subtle differences in the way Jerome curls his "b"s.

Are any of the companies perfect? Doubtful. But they are going to be MUCH more accurate than the average person. And just as important, there's the shared confidence of the community that perpetuates the reputation or dismantles it!

Some might think that PSA or JSA doesn’t put a whole lot of time into each signature. But they know that IF they make a series of mistakes and their reputation suffers, their entire business could be at stake. So I feel confident in JSA or PSA every time I buy or ask for their opinions.

[Ramjak Sports]

I did a test with the same jersey to 4 different "authenticators" . I personally got the jersey autographed by wayne gretzky at a private signing.

I sent the jersey into each twice. 3 out of 4 stated once that it was authentic, either the first or second time in, but rejected it the other time.

Only one was consistant , and failed it twice.

I only trust one COA or LOA. MINE. It is a boatload of crap that they can say it is real one time, reject the next. Same jersey submitted 8 times. Signed in front of me, while he was sitting down. Out of the 8 times, 5 times "in their opinion not authentic"

They dont have any experts on their staff. It has been proven in court actually.

OK, rant over.