The bible - fact or fiction???

[habsheaven]

When are we going to see the first woman president? When are we going to see men stop making fun of women's sports with loads of snide, arrogant comments? When are people going to stop assuming I like shoes and Twilight just because I'm a woman? When are we going to see women treated decently in nations where there is no organized religion but vague nature and idol worship? Sorry, but inherent sexism is all over the place even when religion as commonly defined is completely absent from the picture. It's not limited to religion no matter how much you try to stretch it.

I am not trying to stretch anything. I am talking about Religion and it's treatment of women as stated in the holy books of each. If women should get treated equally anywhere, it should be in Religion.

[habsheaven]

Every organization has limits within if we're going to be that general. Eve coming from Adam doesn't make her inferior any more than a baby coming from a mother makes the baby inferior. As for church positions, so? There are positions where you have to reach a certain age to do, or obtain a certain amount of college education to attain, etc. Does any of that mean that people who aren't of that particular status are all inferior or that they are being persecuted against? No. BTW, it's very annoying as woman to see guys insist to me that I believe something that is allegedly degrading to me. I wouldn't believe something that I felt was degrading to me, and I resent being told this; I've made that decision myself.

The fact that you do not find it degrading is your choice. No one is telling you how you should feel about it. I am stating how I feel about it. And comparing "limits" of organizations to a "limit" that is contigent on what sex you are is "stretching". Forget the Adam and Eve metaphor, how often does the Bible refer to women as property? Where did the idea of refusing women the right to vote come from?

[habsheaven]

Not sure what this has to do with the Lord's Prayer. When I hear/read the Lord's prayer, I interpret it as people praying for strength and guidance which I have no problem with.

have you ever heard the lords prayer? In my opinion the reasons why these believers who pray for results that are in there favor is because they are human. The bible is about faith, it shows through history how in times of tribulations there's a stronger power that brings those people through, either it being by acts or by miracles. It's up to us to have faith and believe that there are reasons why things happen.


Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen

[sanfran22]

The fact that you do not find it degrading is your choice. No one is telling you how you should feel about it. I am stating how I feel about it. And comparing "limits" of organizations to a "limit" that is contigent on what sex you are is "stretching". Forget the Adam and Eve metaphor, how often does the Bible refer to women as property? Where did the idea of refusing women the right to vote come from?

How often does it refer to women as property?

[AUTaxMan]

How often does it refer to women as property?

And where is this found in Jesus' teachings?

[habsheaven]

How often does it refer to women as property?

How about right here?

Exodus 20:17 lists the last of the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ™™™, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."

Sure looks like a piece of property to me.

And how many times is irrelevant. It is after all God's words and to treat women as property ONCE is once too many times.

[habsheaven]

And where is this found in Jesus' teachings?

I have no idea. I am speaking about organized religion not just Jesus' teachings.

[AUTaxMan]

How about right here?

Exodus 20:17 lists the last of the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ™™™, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."

Sure looks like a piece of property to me.

That's a REAL stretch.

[sanfran22]

How about right here?

Exodus 20:17 lists the last of the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ™™™, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."

Sure looks like a piece of property to me.

Maybe you are taking it out of context? possibly?? Maybe it's saying you shouldn't desire something that is not attainable? When one gets married they become one. The wife is the husbands and the husband is the wives.
Also in the same Ten commandments it says to honor thy father and mother. Why honor the mother if she were simply property?
Show me "how often" the Bible refers to women as property. Taking 1 verse out of context doesn't do anything...
SHow me something Jesus said about this as well. There is a difference in the old and new testament as well. That's another topic though.

[Tradinpaint]

Can i pitch in? All i have to say is that im a Baptist, King James only, God believing person. There is no allah, no other god, but God. He is the Almighty, and the Bible is more than fact, its our guide to live by.