The bible - fact or fiction???

[mrveggieman]

I agree with most of the previous point as far as catching and bringing anyone responsible for 9-11-01 to justice. I disagree with anyone (not suggesting that the previous writer is or is not) who uses the formentioned verses to justify the Iraq war.

[sanfran22]

I have studied the Koran just like I have studied the Bible and please correct me if I'm wrong but no where in either of those great books does it command that it's readers murder innocent people. So assuming that Christanity and or Islam is the correct religion and if bin Landen was in any way responsible for 9-11-01 and did not get right by God before meeting his demise he has one of those hot spots waiting for him. I do agree however that he should be punished her on earth before he has to answer to God for what he did. I do also believe that there is nothing that can be done to him on earth that will be greater than the wrath that God can put on him.

"Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)
The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5). "Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29) Note: These verses distinguish between warfare against pagans, and against Jews and Christians.[17]
"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).
"Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).
"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).
"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34).
"for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22

[AUTaxMan]

"Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)
The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5). "Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29) Note: These verses distinguish between warfare against pagans, and against Jews and Christians.[17]
"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).
"Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).
"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).
"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34).
"for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22

I guess he was half right. Such a compassionate and peaceful religion, that Islam.

[coclarkson]

without reading this entire thread, the bible is just a fairy tale

[habsheaven]

I guess he was half right. Such a compassionate and peaceful religion, that Islam.

I am sure if we talk to an Islamic scholar he can discount all of those passages in a manner similar to how Christians discount almost every similar passage in the Old Testament.

So stop throwing stones from the steps of your GLASS house.

[sanfran22]

I guess he was half right. Such a compassionate and peaceful religion, that Islam.

No doubt.....

[habsheaven]

without reading this entire thread, the bible is just a fairy tale

Smart man, you wouldn't find a single post in this thread worthy of even considering changing your mind.

[AUTaxMan]

I am sure if we talk to an Islamic scholar he can discount all of those passages in a manner similar to how Christians discount almost every similar passage in the Old Testament.

So stop throwing stones from the steps of your GLASS house.

I'd love to hear it. No glass house here. I know what I believe and what my religion stands for.

[sanfran22]

I am sure if we talk to an Islamic scholar he can discount all of those passages in a manner similar to how Christians discount almost every similar passage in the Old Testament.

So stop throwing stones from the steps of your GLASS house.

You are out of your league so I'd stop while you are ahead. It's no where near the same. Where in the bible does it instruct us to kill the infidel if he doesn't convert? Just wondering...

[Wudeverbro]

I think this thread is officially over the constructive argument phase. It's fine to not believe in what others believe in but to make snide remarks about what people believe in is inflammatory and disrespectful.