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06-07-2010, 11:33 AM #1
When Smack Talk Goes Too Far?
Does anyone listen to the Dan Patrick Show? As you know he was at game 5 last night, and on his show this morning he said he has the audio from some smack talk. He would not give out the name of the Flyers player who said it, or the Blackhawk he said it to, but when does smack talk go too far? We all know what happened to Sean Avery when he made the comments about Dion Phaneuf's girlfriend (Avery's ex), and Avery said it to the media. Here we have a player saying it to another players face. My understanding from what Patrick said, it was a Flyers player telling a Hawks player (whose wife had a baby recently) that he didn't know how anyone could sleep with something so fat and ugly.
We all know smack talk is part of the game, just like in life with your buddies or what not. But where do you draw the line on what is acceptable banter? For me it has always been you don't talk about someone's family, especially the ladies. Here we have a guy whose wife just went through the most painful and happy time in anyone's life, and this Flyer decides to throw down on her. To me that is going way over the line, and just like Avery, the league needs to step in and demand the audio from whichever media outlet has it on tape.
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06-07-2010, 12:41 PM #2Hockey Advisor
IMO - The league needs to remove all reporters and microphones from the ice (or near it), while the play is on.
I didn't care about Avrey's comments @ Phanuef (if it wasn't so manufactured, I probably would have found it funny) and I don't care what a Flyer has to say about one of the Hawk's wife. I'm sure I've heard worse.
I think about the only two lines I wouldn't tolerate, are racism.... and the threat of off-ice retribution. Other than that, say whatever you want. Just be prepared to take a mouth full of lumber if you get too nasty.
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06-07-2010, 01:04 PM #3Hockey Manager
I'd have to consult with Georges Laraque to find out what it says in the code, but I'd think that there's a general understanding that you leave the families out of it, particularly the wives, mothers, and kids--sisters are probably fair game, though. Beyond that, and the racism that Sean mentioned, it's pretty much open season. One can only imagine what a guy like Lapierre says to his opponents...in either language.
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06-07-2010, 01:35 PM #4
The guys can say what they want, but just have to be prepared for the on-ice consequences. That kind of stuff only shows the lack of class that some guys have. This is not something that can (or should be regulated) by the league. It is something that has to be policed amongst the players.
Moving on........
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06-07-2010, 01:56 PM #5
I would agree 100% if there wasn't already a precedent set by Bettman with the Avery debacle. As for policing themselves, I'm sure that's what the Flyer wanted, say anything you can to try and get the guy to take a shot at you and draw a penalty. Get rid of the instigator and open it up to the on ice policemen to take care of this stuff, and guys like Lapierre, Avery, Carcillo would not last long in this league.
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06-07-2010, 02:05 PM #6
You can't compare the Avery debacle with this. Avery did it to the media, this one was done on the ice. It's not the same thing
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06-07-2010, 02:05 PM #7
Fair enough. I think that the Avery incident is slightly different because it was said to a reporter, not on the bench/ice to the player during a game. But, even with that situation, I believe that there should have simply been an extra "umph" in the next hit that Phaneuf had for Avery. Nothing else needed.
Seriously though, if we reported all of the mean-spirited, classless, insensitive things that were said around us on a daily basis, we would have no time to talk about anything else.
Was the guy an idiot who said that about the other guy's wife? Yes. A despicable comment? Absolutely. Worthy of some form of formal punishment from the league? No. Perhaps his own team could step in and do something (I hear locker rooms have their own form of justice). That's all. :)
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06-07-2010, 03:06 PM #8
True enough, saying it to a reporter or the media is different as it will be headline news. I know there is nasty stuff said in every game, I hear it all the time with the 14 year olds I coach and am appauled at the stuff that comes out of these kids mouths.
I just think when you attack a guys wife, you are crossing the line in a gutless attempt to try and draw the guy into retaliating. There's ways to get under a guys skin, this isn't a way that I would ever feel is appropriate. I would love to know which Flyer said it and to whom. They probably only play them once next year in the regular season so we may have to wait until then to find out as I doubt a Hawk is going to do anything about it with so much on the line.
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