Top 100 Sets Outline -- PLEASE READ!!!

[edthesandwich]

First off, let me thank you for checking out what could be the longest opening post of any thread in the history of hockey card collecting. Curiosity has brought you here, and I hope interest in the project will keep you here ... at least, long enough to check out the specifics of this exciting project.

As many of you know, this is the 100-year anniversary of the release of the historic C56 set, widely considered the first "true" set in the hobby. To commemorate this event, I'm going to rank the top 100 sets in the history of the hockey card industry, and provide write-ups for each. But I won't be compiling the entire list myself; this is where you come in.

Listed below is every major set found in Beckett's magazine-style price guide. There are around 550, give or take a few. I do NOT need you to go through each and every set. I will be, but that's because I'm the one writing this thing. Your level of involvement is completely and entirely up to you. If you want to rate one set, that's fine. If you feel industrious enough to tackle 10, or 20, or 50, or 300, then I'll happily accept the help. If you want to do five today, five tomorrow and 20 in a week from now, that's great, too. The more help I get, the more accurate and fair the list will be and the easier it will be to compile a list that truly represents the opinions of you, the collectors.

You'll be rating each set on three factors, with each factor given a rating out of 10. I encourage you to PLEASE be as specific as you can with these ratings. If you "sort of" liked something, don't give it a 10. Give it an 8, or an 8.5, or even an 8.3. I would like to see you break up ratings into tenths of a decimal because the more specific you can be, the greater accuracy the list will have. Your rating could literally make the difference between a set being 10th, 15th or 20th. And note, as well, that you are rating the set as well as each of its accompanying subsets. Please factor that in when you make your decisions. Liked 2007/08 Upper Deck but hated the subsets? Make sure you reflect that in your final vote. Hated 2006/07 SPx but LOVED the subsets? That should be included, as well.

The ratings categories are:

DESIGN: How do the cards look? Do you like the overall design? Are they visually appealing? This section is fairly straightforward. If you're not sure about a particular set, look for it online. You'll find examples from every hockey set ever produced on eBay, and 99% of them will have pictures.

PLAYER SELECTION/RCs: Who's in the set? And just as importantly, who isn't? Sets with strong rookie crops will likely earn higher marks than sets where you have just a handful of rookies. This is important, especially with more modern sets, because rookies drive the product. Be equally critical of each of the subsets of a particular product. Say to yourself, "did (insert card company) do the best job it could selecting players for this subset?" These are the kinds of things I'm looking for. This is where a Beckett will come in handy, for those of you looking to help out with older sets.

HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE (ONLY FOR PRE-1990 SETS): How does this set stand out in the collecting world? These factors are usually decided by how much trading volume the sets produce, groundbreaking rookie inclusions, scarcity and so on. For example, you might decide that the 1979-80 O-Pee-Chee set has only a handful of "key" rookies, resulting in a slightly lower player selection rating. Yet, with the inclusion of Gretzky, the 1979-80 set is clearly one of the most notable products ever produced, which would result in a higher historical significance rating. Try to consider all of these factors when doing the final tally.

"GOODIES" (ONLY FOR 1990-91 AND NEWER): Inserts. Autos. Patches. Bieber. Whatever a set provides beyond plain old base cards, this is where you reward it. Obviously a set with 20 different "blah" subsets isn't going to score as high as one with three or four "WOW" subsets, but how you break these down is entirely up to you. Use whichever parameters you like. Perhaps you're big on autos. Perhaps you like subsets with disgusting multi-break patches over the simple one-color swatch. You're the boss.

You'll end up with a score out of 30, but don't worry about tabulating that. I just need the scores for each category, which I'll enter into a spreadsheet and let it do the adding for me. Once voting is closed, I'll go through the votes, tally everything up and come up with the final list from there.

I'd ask that you PLEASE send me a PM with your rankings, or send them to [email protected] (which I'll be checking every day.) Do NOT post your votes in this thread ... these are meant to be between myself and the voter, and I won't use any votes posted in here. When you send your votes in, just list the set and the three numbers in order (design, player selection, history/goodies). For example, "1973-74 Topps (9.5, 6.8, 6.5). It's as easy as that.

I'm leaving all of you a LOT of time for this, because there are still sets to come out this year (which I'll add to this list as they're released) and because I know a lot of people dial it down a bit in the summer. The deadline for votes is AUGUST 31, 2011. And as I mentioned earlier, you can send them along in bits and pieces over the course of the spring and summer, or in one giant e-mail or PM anytime during that same time frame. I would like to start writing this thing on Sept. 1, and finish it up by the end of the month.

Thanks in advance for your help, and I look forward to reading your thoughts!

1910-11 C56
1911-12 C55
1912-13 C57

1923-24 V145-1
1924-25 C144 Champ's Cigarettes
1924-25 V145-2

1933-34 O-Pee-Chee V304A
1933-34 O-Pee-Chee V304B
1933-34 V357 Ice Kings
1933-34 V357-2 Ice Kings Premiums
1933-34 V129
1933-34 V252 Canadian Gum
1935-36 O-Pee-Chee V304C
1936-37 O-Pee-Chee V304D
1937-38 O-Pee-Chee V304E
1939-40 O-Pee-Chee V301-1

1940-41 O-Pee-Chee V301-2

1951-52 Parkhurst
1952-53 Parkhurst
1953-54 Parkhurst
1954-55 Parkhurst
1954-55 Topps
1955-56 Parkhurst
1957-58 Parkhurst
1957-58 Topps
1959-59 Parkhurst
1959-59 Topps
1959-60 Parkhurst
1959-60 Topps

1960-61 Parkhurst
1960-61 Topps
1961-62 Parkhurst
1961-62 Topps
1962-63 Parkhurst
1962-63 Topps
1963-64 Parkhurst
1963-64 Topps
1964-65 Topps
1965-66 Topps
1966-67 Topps
1966-67 Topps USA Test
1967-68 Topps
1968-69 O-Pee-Chee
1968-69 Topps
1969-70 O-Pee-Chee
1969-70 Topps

1970-71 O-Pee-Chee
1970-71 Topps
1971-72 O-Pee-Chee
1971-72 Topps
1972-73 O-Pee-Chee
1972-73 Topps
1973-74 O-Pee-Chee
1973-74 Topps
1974-75 O-Pee-Chee NHL
1974-75 O-Pee-Chee WHA
1974-75 Topps
1975-76 O-Pee-Chee NHL
1975-76 O-Pee-Chee WHA
1975-76 Topps
1976-77 O-Pee-Chee NHL
1976-77 O-Pee-Chee WHA
1976-77 Topps
1977-78 O-Pee-Chee NHL
1977-78 O-Pee-Chee WHA
1977-78 Topps
1978-79 O-Pee-Chee
1978-79 Topps
1979-80 O-Pee-Chee
1979-80 Topps

1980-81 O-Pee-Chee
1980-81 Topps
1981-82 O-Pee-Chee
1981-82 Topps
1982-83 O-Pee-Chee
1982-83 Topps
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee
1983-84 Topps
1984-85 O-Pee-Chee
1984-85 Topps
1985-86 O-Pee-Chee
1985-86 Topps
1986-87 O-Pee-Chee
1986-87 Topps
1987-88 O-Pee-Chee
1987-88 Topps
1988-89 O-Pee-Chee
1988-89 Topps
1989-90 O-Pee-Chee
1989-90 Topps

SET NAME
1990-91 Bowman
1990-91 O-Pee-Chee
1990-91 O-Pee-Chee Premier
1990-91 Pro Set
1990-91 Score
1990-91 Score Traded
1990-91 Topps
1990-91 Upper Deck/French

1991-92 Bowman
1991-92 McDonald's Upper Deck
1991-92 O-Pee-Chee
1991-92 O-Pee-Chee Premier
1991-92 Parkhurst
1991-92 Pinnacle
1991-92 Pro Set
1991-92 Pro Set Platinum
1991-92 Score American
1991-92 Score Canadian
1991-92 Stadium Club
1991-92 Topps
1991-92 Upper Deck/French

1992-93 Bowman
1992-93 O-Pee-Chee
1992-93 O-Pee-Chee Premier
1992-93 Parkhurst
1992-93 Pinnacle
1992-93 Pro Set
1992-93 Score
1992-93 Stadium Club
1992-93 Topps
1992-93 Ultra
1992-93 Upper Deck

1993-94 Donruss
1993-94 Leaf
1993-94 McDonald's Upper Deck
1993-94 O-Pee-Chee Premier
1993-94 Parkhurst
1993-94 Pinnacle
1993-94 PowerPlay
1993-94 Score
1993-94 Stadium Club
1993-94 Topps Premier
1993-94 Ultra
1993-94 Upper Deck

1994-95 Be a Player
1994-95 Donruss
1994-95 Finest
1994-95 Flair
1994-95 Fleer
1994-95 Leaf
1994-95 Leaf Limited
1994-95 McDonald's Upper Deck
1994-95 O-Pee-Chee Premier
1994-95 Parkhurst
1994-95 Parkhurst SE
1994-95 Pinnacle
1994-95 Score
1994-95 Select
1994-95 SP
1994-95 Stadium Club
1994-95 Topps Premier
1994-95 Utrra
1994-95 Upper Deck

1995-96 Be a Player
1995-96 Bowman
1995-96 Collector's Choice
1995-96 Donruss
1995-96 Donruss Elite
1995-96 Emotion
1995-96 Finest
1995-96 Leaf
1995-96 Leaf Limited
1995-96 McDonald's Pinnacle
1995-96 Metal
1995-96 Parkhurst International
1995-96 Pinnacle
1995-96 Score
1995-96 Select Certified
1995-96 SkyBox Impact
1995-96 SP
1995-96 Stadium Club
1995-96 Summit
1995-96 Topps
1995-96 Ultra
1995-96 Upper Deck
1995-96 Zenith

1996-97 Be a Player
1996-97 Black Diamond
1996-97 Collector's Choice
1996-97 Donruss
1996-97 Donruss Canadian Ice
1996-97 Donruss Elite
1996-97 Flair
1996-97 Fleer
1996-97 Fleer Picks
1996-97 Leaf
1996-97 Leaf Limited
1996-97 Leaf Preferred
1996-97 McDonald's Pinnacle
1996-97 Metal Universe
1996-97 Pinnacle
1996-97 Score
1996-97 Select Certified
1996-97 SkyBox Impact
1996-97 SP
1996-97 Spx
1996-97 Summit
1996-97 Topps Picks
1996-97 Ultra
1996-97 Upper Deck
1996-97 Upper Deck Ice
1996-97 Zenith

1997-98 Be a Player
1997-98 Beehive
1997-98 Black Diamond
1997-98 Collector's Choice
1997-98 Crown Royale
1997-98 Donruss
1997-98 Donruss International Ice
1997-98 Donruss Lmited
1997-98 Donruss Preferred
1997-98 Donruss Priority
1997-98 Leaf
1997-98 Leaf International
1997-98 Pacific
1997-98 Pacific Invincible
1997-98 Pacific Omega
1997-98 Paramount
1997-98 Pinnacle
1997-98 Pinnacle Certified
1997-98 Pinnacle Inside
1997-98 Pinnacle Mint
1997-98 Pinnacle Totally Certified
1997-98 Revolution
1997-98 Score
1997-98 SP Authentic
1997-98 Spx
1997-98 Studio
1997-98 Upper Deck
1997-98 Upper Deck Ice
1997-98 Zenith
1997-98 Zenith 5x7

1998-99 Aurora
1998-99 Be a Player
1998-99 Black Diamond
1998-99 Bowman's Best
1998-99 Crown Royale
1998-99 Finest
1998-99 O-Pee-Chee Chrome
1998-99 Pacific
1998-99 Pacific Dynagon Ice
1998-99 Pacific Omega
1998-99 Paramount
1998-99 Revolution
1998-99 SP Authentic
1998-99 Spx Finite
1998-99 Spx Top Prospects
1998-99 Topps
1998-99 Topps Gold Label
1998-99 UD Choice/Preview
1998-99 UD3
1998-99 Upper Deck
1998-99 Upper Deck MVP

1999-00 Aurora
1999-00 Be a Player Memorabilia
1999-00 Be a Player Millennium
1999-00 Black Diaond
1999-00 Crown Royale
1999-00 O-Pee-Chee
1999-00 O-Pee-Chee Chrome
1999-00 Pacific
1999-00 Pacific Dynagon Ice
1999-00 Pacific Omega
1999-00 Pacific Prism
1999-00 Paramount
1999-00 Revolution
1999-00 SP Authentic
1999-00 Spx
1999-00 Stadium Club
1999-00 Topps
1999-00 Topps Chrome
1999-00 Topps Gold Label
1999-00 Topps Premier Plus
1999-00 Ultimate Victory
1999-00 Upper Deck
1999-00 Upper Deck Century Legends
1999-00 Upper Deck HoloGrFx
1999-00 Upper Deck MVP
1999-00 Upper Deck MVP SC Edition
1999-00 Upper Deck Ovation
1999-00 Upper Deck Retro
1999-00 Wayne Gretzky Hockey

2000-01 Aurora
2000-01 BAP Memorabilia
2000-01 BAP Signature Series
2000-01 Black Diamond
2000-01 Pacific
2000-01 Private Stock
2000-01 Revolution
2000-01 SP Authentic
2000-01 Spx
2000-01 Stadium Club
2000-01 Titanium
2000-01 Titanium Draft Day Edition
2000-01 Topps
2000-01 Topps Chrome
2000-01 Topps Gold Label
2000-01 Topps Heritage
2000-01 Topps Premier Plus
2000-01 UD Pros and Prospects
2000-01 UD Reserve
2000-01 Upper Deck Vintage
2000-01 Upper Deck
2000-01 Upper Deck Ice
2000-01 Upper Deck Legends
2000-01 Upper Deck MVP

2001-02 BAP Memorabilia
2001-02 BAP Signature Series
2001-02 BAP Ultimate Memorabilia
2001-02 Between the Pipes
2001-02 Bowman YoungStars
2001-02 Crown Royale
2001-02 O-Pee-Chee
2001-02 Pacific
2001-02 Parkhurst
2001-02 Private Stock
2001-02 SP Authentic
2001-02 SP Game Used
2001-02 Spx
2001-02 Stadium Club
2001-02 Titanium
2001-02 Titanium Draft Day Edition
2001-02 Topps
2001-02 Topps Archives
2001-02 Topps Chrome
2001-02 Topps Heritage
2001-02 Topps Reserve
2001-02 Upper Deck Honor Roll
2001-02 UD Mask Collection
2001-02 UD Premier Collection
2001-02 UD Stanley Cup Champs
2001-02 UD Top Shelf
2001-02 Upper Deck Vintage
2001-02 Upper Deck
2001-02 Upper Deck Ice
2001-02 Upper Deck Legends
2001-02 Upper Deck MVP

2002-03 BAP All-Star Edition
2002-03 BAP First Edition
2002-03 BAP Memorabilia
2002-03 BAP Signature Series
2002-03 BAP Ultimate Memorabilia
2002-03 Between the Pipes
2002-03 Bowman YoungStars
2002-03 Crown Royale
2002-03 Fleer Throwbacks
2002-03 ITG Used
2002-03 Pacific
2002-03 Pacific Calder
2002-03 Pacific Exclusive
2002-03 Parkhurst
2002-03 Parkhurst Retro
2002-03 Private Stock Reserve
2002-03 SP Authentic
2002-03 SP Game Used
2002-03 Spx
2002-03 Stadium Club
2002-03 Titanium
2002-03 Topps
2002-03 Topps Chrome
2002-03 Topps Heritage
2002-03 UD Artistic Impressions
2002-03 Upper Deck Honor Roll
2002-03 UD Mask Collection
2002-03 UD Piece of History
2002-03 UD Premier Collection
2002-03 UD Top Shelf
2002-03 Upper Deck Vintage
2002-03 Upper Deck
2002-03 Upper Deck MVP
2002-03 Upper Deck Rookie Update

2003-04 BAP Memorabilia
2003-04 BAP Ultimate Memorabilia
2003-04 Beehive
2003-04 Black Diamond
2003-04 Bowman
2003-04 Bowman Chrome
2003-04 Crown Royale
2003-04 eTopps
2003-04 ITG Action
2003-04 ITG Used Signature Series
2003-04 McDonald's Pacific
2003-04 Pacific
2003-04 Pacific Calder
2003-04 Pacific Complete
2003-04 Pacific Exhibit
2003-04 Pacific Invincible
2003-04 Pacific Luxury Suite
2003-04 Pacific Prism
2003-04 Pacific Quest for the Cup
2003-04 Parkhurst Original Six Boston
2003-04 Parkhurst Original Six Chicago
2003-04 Parkhurst Original Six New York
2003-04 Parkhurst Original Six Detroit
2003-04 Parkhurst Original Six Montreal
2003-04 Parkhurst Original Six Toronto
2003-04 Parkhurst Rookie
2003-04 Private Stock Reserve
2003-04 SP Authentic
2003-04 SP Game Used
2003-04 Spx
2003-04 Titanium
2003-04 Topps
2003-04 Topps C55
2003-04 Topps Pristine
2003-04 Topps Traded
2003-04 Upper Deck Honor Roll
2003-04 UD Premier Collection
2003-04 Upper Deck Honor Roll
2003-04 Upper Deck Classic Portraits
2003-04 Upper Deck MVP
2003-04 Upper Deck Rookie Update
2003-04 Upper Deck Trilogy

2004-05 ITG Franchises Canadian
2004-05 ITG Franchises Update
2004-05 ITG Franchises US East
2004-05 ITG Franchises US West
2004-05 ITG Heroes and Prospects
2004-05 ITG Ultimate Memorabilia
2004-05 Pacific
2004-05 SP Authentic
2004-05 UD All-World
2004-05 UD Legendary Signatures
2004-05 UD Legends Classics
2004-05 Ultimate Collection
2004-05 Upper Deck

2005-06 Artifacts
2005-06 Be a Player
2005-06 Beehive
2005-06 Black Diamond
2005-06 ITG Going for Gold
2005-06 ITG Heroes and Prospects
2005-06 ITG Heroes and Prospects
2005-06 ITG Ultimate Memorabilia
2005-06 Parkhurst
2005-06 SP Authentic
2005-06 SP Game Used
2005-06 Spx
2005-06 The Cup
2005-06 UD PowerPlay
2005-06 Ultimate Collection
2005-06 Ultra
2005-06 Upper Deck
2005-06 Upper Deck Ice
2005-06 Upper Deck MVP
2005-06 Upper Deck Rookie Update
2005-06 Upper Deck Trilogy
2005-06 Upper Deck Victory

2006-07 Artifacts
2006-07 Be a Player
2006-07 Be a Player Portraits
2006-07 Beehive
2006-07 Between the Pipes
2006-07 Black Diamond
2006-07 Flair Showcase
2006-07 Fleer
2006-07 Hot Prospects
2006-07 ITG Going for Gold World Juniors
2006-07 ITG Heroes and Prospects
2006-07 ITG International Ice
2006-07 ITG Ultimate Memorabilia
2006-07 McDonald's Upper Deck
2006-07 O-Pee-Chee
2006-07 Parkhurst
2006-07 SP Authentic
2006-07 SP Game Used
2006-07 Spx
2006-07 Sweet Shot
2006-07 The Cup
2006-07 UD Mini Jersey Collection
2006-07 UD Powerplay
2006-07 Ultimate Collection
2006-07 Ultra
2006-07 Upper Deck
2006-07 Upper Deck MVP
2006-07 Upper Deck Trilogy
2006-07 Upper Deck Victory

2007-08 Artifacts
2007-08 Be a Player
2007-08 Between the Pipes
2007-08 Hot Prospects
2007-08 ITG Heroes and Prospects
2007-08 ITG O Canada
2007-08 ITG Superlative
2007-08 ITG Ultimate Memorabilia
2007-08 McDonald's Upper Deck
2007-08 O-Pee-Chee
2007-08 OPC Premier
2007-08 SP Authentic
2007-08 SP Game Used
2007-08 Spx
2007-08 Sweet Shot
2007-08 The Cup
2007-08 UD Mini Jersey Collection
2007-08 Ultimate Collection
2007-08 Ultra
2007-08 Upper Deck
2007-08 Upper Deck Ice
2007-08 Upper Deck MVP
2007-08 Upper Deck Trilogy
2007-08 Upper Deck Victory

2008-09 Artifacts
2008-09 Be a Player
2008-09 Between the Pipes
2008-09 Black Diamond
2008-09 ITG Heroes and Prospects
2008-09 ITG Ultimate Memorabilia
2008-09 McDonald's Upper Deck
2008-09 O-Pee-Chee
2008-09 OPC Premier
2008-09 SP Authentic
2008-09 SP Game Used
2008-09 Spx
2008-09 The Cup
2008-09 UD Black
2008-09 UD Masterpieces
2008-09 Ultimate Collection
2008-09 Ultra
2008-09 Upper Deck
2008-09 Upper Deck Champ's
2008-09 Upper Deck Canadiens Centennial
2008-09 Upper Deck MVP
2008-09 Upper Deck Power Play
2008-09 Upper Deck Rookie Class
2008-09 Upper Deck Trilogy
2008-09 Upper Deck Victory

2009-10 Artifacts
2009-10 Be a Player
2009-10 Between the Pipes
2009-10 Black Diamond
2009-10 Collector's Choice
2009-10 ITG Heroes and Prospects
2009-10 ITG Superlative
2009-10 ITG Ultimate Memorabilia
2009-10 ITG The Year in Hockey (1972)
2009-10 McDonald's Upper Deck
2009-10 O-Pee-Chee
2009-10 OPC Premier
2009-10 SP Authentic
2009-10 SP Game Used
2009-10 Spx
2009-10 The Cup
2009-10 UD Black
2009-10 Ultimate Collection
2009-10 Ultra
2009-10 Upper Deck
2009-10 Upper Deck Champ's
2009-10 Upper Deck Ice
2009-10 Upper Deck MVP
2009-10 Upper Deck Ovation
2009-10 Upper Deck Trilogy
2009-10 Upper Deck Victory

2010-11 Artifacts
2010-11 Black Diamond
2010-11 Certified
2010-11 Crown Royale
2010-11 Donruss
2010-11 ITG Heroes and Prospects
2010-11 ITG Ultimate Memorabilia
2010-11 Limited
2010-11 O-Pee-Chee
2010-11 Score
2010-11 SP Game Used
2010-11 Spx
2010-11 Upper Deck
2010-11 Upper Deck Victory

[number9]

you need to add 2009-10 MVP

[30ranfordfan]

I'm sure that all you're asking people to do is submit a number (i.e. 8.5, 10, 2, whatever....) but do you have any use for an explaination?

Where I think I've got a valid opinion / point to make - I don't mind spending the time writing a few sentances about a set..... but I'll only do it if you're interested :)

[edthesandwich]

I'm sure that all you're asking people to do is submit a number (i.e. 8.5, 10, 2, whatever....) but do you have any use for an explaination?

Where I think I've got a valid opinion / point to make - I don't mind spending the time writing a few sentances about a set..... but I'll only do it if you're interested :)

Always. The more information, the better. The reason I mentioned submitting numbers and little else is because I don't want anyone to think they HAVE to add explanations or details ... but if you want to say WHY you felt a certain way, that's certainly something I would gladly apply to the final product.

Hope that answers your question!

[30ranfordfan]

Yup!

Obviously I'm not going to try and write a book for you.... but where I feel I've got some info / opinions worth adding, I probably will - just wanted to make sure you can use it.

(Of course this means I won't have it finished in 1 night )

Always. The more information, the better. The reason I mentioned submitting numbers and little else is because I don't want anyone to think they HAVE to add explanations or details ... but if you want to say WHY you felt a certain way, that's certainly something I would gladly apply to the final product.

Hope that answers your question!

[Blargh]

I'd argue that the 90-91 Upper Deck had historical significance and should be judged on that rather than goodies. The 90-91 OPC Premier was a landmark set as well in terms of its impact on the hobby. It helped to reverse the mass-production tide epitomized by Pro Set that year.
Or maybe I still like to think of 90-91 as the golden year of hockey trading cards. I even treasure that year's Pro Set, both series.
Otherwise I have very little knowledge of about 90% of the sets listed.

[canesice]

you are missing a few from 03-04. I didnt check other years:
03-04 Pacific Exhibit
03-04 Topps Traded
03-04 eTopps (arguable)
03-04 Pacific Quest for the Cup

[edthesandwich]

I'd argue that the 90-91 Upper Deck had historical significance and should be judged on that rather than goodies. The 90-91 OPC Premier was a landmark set as well in terms of its impact on the hobby. It helped to reverse the mass-production tide epitomized by Pro Set that year.
Or maybe I still like to think of 90-91 as the golden year of hockey trading cards. I even treasure that year's Pro Set, both series.
Otherwise I have very little knowledge of about 90% of the sets listed.

Great points. I'll shift the dates to make sure 1990-91 sets are judged on historical significance rather than goodies. Thanks!

[scottkoz20]

hey James, PM incoming

[stop__dreaming]

Hey James,

PM coming!