Is This Too Common Sense?

[pghin08]

http://factcheck.org/2011/04/donald-youre-fired/

I'm really tired of all this.

[theonedru]

maybe we should allow foreigners to run for president seeing how the home born ones cannot do a competent job

[INTIMADATOR2007]

Did he produce a "certificate of live birth"
Or "certification of live birth"?
Here's a good artical ...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...between_a.html

[pghin08]

Did he produce a "certificate of live birth"
Or "certification of live birth"?
Here's a good artical ...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...between_a.html

That is a good article, but it doesn't really address what the Hawaiian standards were when Obama was born (1961). Remember, part of the issue here is that when Obama was born, Hawaii itself was only two years old. So it's not like being born in Rhode Island in 1961, some of the paperwork they used then may now be defunct.

Here's my breakdown of the Obama birther argument:

1. The people who think he was born in the US/the people who don't care either way.

I myself, fall into both of these categories. I think he was born in the US (I've yet to see any evidence of his Kenyan birth). And even if he wasn't, I don't care. It doesn't make him any less American to me. I know people who have immigrated to the US that are far more proud to be an American than some who have been born here.

2. The people who will ALWAYS believe that he is a Kenyan Muslim.

There could be video evidence of Obama coming out of the womb under a "Welcome to Hawaii" sign with an American flag pinned to his forehead and they still wouldn't believe he was US born. It's funny to me because a lot of the "birthers" scoff at people who believe 9/11 or Kennedy conspiracies, all while claiming the entire Obama presidency is a conspiracy. Funny how quick we grasp onto these conspiracy theories when they favor our point of view.


I guess my point is this. I'm aggravated by how people have turned this into such a monumental issue when we all know that nothing would ever be done about it anyways. Trump is basically running on this argument, but what is he going to do? Push Congress to file impeachment proceedings? They'd get laughed at when they couldn't provide a lick of legit evidence.

This is a microcosm of the phenomenon that Thomas Frank wrote about in "What's the Matter with Kansas", where the general public is beginning to vote more on social issues than political/economic ones.

[ffman]

If the people who needed to see the freakin' thing hadn't been satisfied with what they were shown, he never would have made it even as far as being an official candidate. To claim otherwise is to claim that either A) The agency in charge of verifying eligible candidates for the highest office in the land is utterly incompetent, B) Obama is just too good a con artist for those people to figure it out, or C) There's some kind of conspiracy going on, which includes every Republican in every branch of the federal government who isn't signing on to this ludicrous campaign. If you say A, you throw into doubt the eligibility of all past presidents. If you say B, you obviously have a much higher opinion of his capabilities than I do. If you say C, I have an alien spaceship filled with cancer cures to sell you.

Anyone who's still on the birther bandwagon obviously just doesn't care what he does. No matter what he shows them, they will always, automatically, dogmatically and unthinkingly say "Nuh-uh! That's not real either! You still haven't shown us the real one!" Why should anyone bother trying to appease people who have already decided in advance that they will never be appeased no matter what? Clearly they have some unspoken agenda underlying their actions and I bet I can guess what that is.

I couldn't have said it any better myself, especially the first few sentences.

If you truly believe Obama was not born in the United States and yet was elected president despite this - you need to be concerned not about Obama but about our political processes.

[brandonbarnett]

This man obviously see the big picture of how the Repbulican party works. They spend more time trying to dis credit the man than finding solutions to the nations problems. They are all lame and that is why our country is suffering now.

Thats a very narrow minded statement, this country is suffering because of both Dems and Reps, and alot of this crap boils down to the other side not wanting the other do get credit when they make progress....and the junk won't stop until people quit going by party lines and get new blood in there, and people who don't act childish.....as far as the whole BC issue it should be just dropped, and if its of such concern don't re elect?? Simple as that.

[Star_Cards]

well said brandon. I'm so sick of the US citizens fighting against each other based on Rep and Dem. It's time to realize that they are both doing harm and seem to be 100% against working together to create unity. I get that there will be differences and people have lots of different views about many different things that involves government, but to act like one side isn't as bad as the other is very narrow minded. I for one am tired of the statusquo and would like to start hearing solution over blame.

[duane1969]

This was just released by the Obama admin. Looks legit enough to me.

http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/p...h-certificate/

[Star_Cards]

No what will Trump spout off about to bring in the publicity? My guess is muslims.

[ffman]

No what will Trump spout off about to bring in the publicity? My guess is muslims.

Now he wants school records.

But, he needs to remember his promise to show his tax records.