Question on Cut Auto

[ravens_creed]

The greatest NHL General Manager of all time - nice card!

This, and don't settle for less than 175 for it. A cut auto of hockey's best GM (although, LARGELY helped by the fact he had exclusivity on all players coming out of Quebec during his time), you could probably find a buyer in the 250-300 range. Don't be so quick to unload it, it's a beauty.

[Habitforming]

This, and don't settle for less than 175 for it. A cut auto of hockey's best GM (although, LARGELY helped by the fact he had exclusivity on all players coming out of Quebec during his time), you could probably find a buyer in the 250-300 range. Don't be so quick to unload it, it's a beauty.

Seriously???

Just throw out false info as fact and you don't know the real facts on it???

Allow me to educate all who think this is actually true....

[Habitforming]

The French Canadian Rule
The question of the Habs and their so called French Canadian 'advantage' is a fabrication that seems to get better everytime it is told. What follows is the real truth and rules to the "Quebec born rights" that people always use against the team.
In the early days of the NHL, in fact through the first several decades of the leagues existence, many things were done to try and help franchises that were in trouble. Loaning players was one of the more popular methods. Financial aid was another, facilitating moves to other cities, etc. The Bottom line was when a team was in trouble the league would do it's best to try and figure out a way to help.

In 1936 the Montreal Canadiens nearly folded. The Depression had already claimed several franchises including the Ottawa Senators. What the NHL's brain trust decided to do was they would attempt to help Montreal's attendance and thereby hopefully their bottom line financially. So they decided that the Montreal Canadiens could take any two players from the province of Quebec in a special draft. There was one rider however. None of these players could have already been previously signed to a C form (confirmation form) with any other club. At this time in the NHL and right through the late 60's amateur players were signed by NHL teams to C forms and then placed on their appropriate junior clubs or minor pro clubs depending on their age. The most extreme case of this was Bobby Orr. Orr signed a C form three weeks before his 12th birthday with the Boston Bruins. He was so young his parents signature was required. When he turned 14 he began playing for Boston's junior sponsored team, the Oshawa Generals. That's how Orr became a Bruin.

From 1936-1943 Montreal protected 14 players through this special draft. Unfortunately none of them ever played a minute in the NHL. Reason being, anybody who could tie their skates and chew gum at the same time were already long signed by other NHL teams including the Canadiens who certainly wern't going to survive solely with this rule. The hope was that there would be a spark from signing a French Canadian kid, even better if he could play a bit. The thought was that this could help attendance and thereby help Montreal. It never did. What really helped Montreal at that time were two shrewd moves. One, a trade with the Montreal Maroons which brought them Toe Blake and two, the signing of Elmer Lach to a C form. Elmer Lach, who was from Saskatchewan, was signed after the Rangers passed on him even after attending the Rangers training camp.

There were other moves which turned their fortune around. The key one being the rest of the league passed on Montreal GM Tommy Gorman's offer of a trade for what seemed to be a very brittle but explosive goal scorer name Maurice Richard. Richard suffered injury after injury in his first three years of pro, and Gorman tried to unload him but nobody wanted him. Needless to say Richard's coming out party in 1943-44 and the subsequent effect he had on the game in the next 17 years has been well documented, but suffice to say these were the three major reasons for the success of the Habs over a nearly two decade span - not some bullcrap rule that although was well intentioned did nothing to extend Montreal's stay in the NHL at that time. In fact they were even worse in 1940 than they were in 1936.
The last two pieces of the puzzle for the Habs greatness in the modern era as we know it happened in 1946 and 1947 respectively. With the French Canadian rule now rescinded and Montreal rolling with two Cup victories in a three year span, something else was going to be needed for the franchise to rise to the extreme greatness they would see in a few short years. Enter the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Toronto owner Conn Smythe fired Frank Selke Sr. and Montreal quickly hired him. Selke had a vision about a series of teams in the minor leagues that would be stocked with players that Montreal would sign to C forms. These minor league teams and the players on them were soon to be known as 'a farm system.' This was the origin of the farm system as we know it today. It took the rest of the NHL 2-3 years to catch on to this idea but they did and they've all benefited from it. As the inovator of the concept, Montreal had a tremendous head start and in some instances they purchased the rights to an entire league to get a certain player. They did this for Jean Beliveau and Bobby Rousseau.
In Beliveau's case it didn't matter because he told the Habs to get bent anyway. He was happy in Quebec and there were only two players in the NHL making more money than Jean who was in the QSHL; Rocket Richard and Gordie Howe. Finally Selke was able to sign Beliveau in 1953 when as he put it, "I opened up the vault and said help yourself Jean!".

The move in 1947 was the hiring of Sam Pollock. Pollock came under the tutelage of Selke and finally in 1963 became his successor as GM of the Canadiens. In 1963 the NHL finally realized there were a glut of players, post second World War 2 births, that were coming of age to play in the NHL and even with the C form system stones were being left unturned. For the first time a draft was implemented. There was never any thought that this would one day become the life blood of the NHL. At the time the six NHL teams would draft in a rotating order any player who had not signed a C form. Ken Dryden was a draft pick of the Boston Bruins.
In 1963, the French Canadian rule was brought back for the Montreal Canadiens. It was not necessary, no question about it but Selke and Pollock worked a sweet deal and got it back on the books however the same rules applied. The player could not have signed a C form with any other team. From 1963-1967 none of the players Montreal selected played one minute in the NHL, ever.

Finally in 1968, they drafted their first live one; A goalie named Michel Plasse. In 1969, it was determined that this would be the final year of the draft in this manner and the sponsorship of Junior A teams would cease to be. All players were to be 20 years of age or older and they would be eligible for a Universal Amateur Draft. Montreal was given one final kick at the French Canadian can and they made the most of it by selecting Rejean Houle and Marc Tardif. That was it for the French rule. By then Sam Pollock or Trader Sam as he was known, was working magic year in and year out on draft day and by flipping players in Montreal's farm system that had been so expertly set up years before by Selke and ran by Pollock, for draft picks. Players like Guy Lafleur, Steve Shutt, Mario Tremblay, and several others, were selected with picks that Pollock acquired through trades.

That's the history of how Montreal evolved from nearly dying in the mid 1930's through the last of their glory days in the late 1970's. The Habs had a pretty good run in the decade of the 1980's, with one Cup, another trip to the finals and four trips to the semi's in total. They were the third winningest team in the regular season in the decade.
The 1990's, with a Cup win in 93 notwithstanding, were a much tougher time as we well know. That's another chapter for another time. I hope this helps clear up any misconception. I believe this fallacy was born primarily by frustrated anti-Montreal fans who for decades suffered through parade after Stanley Cup parade.

[andrewconnors9]

id push from 100 - 150 to 200 - 250+ range, i always watch cut autos on ebay and they are big collector items, especially being a tough to find deceased Habs auto. Id put a trade value of about 350 - 400$ for sure

Nice card either way and best of lucking selling it or trading for a night PC item

[edgeusaf1]

Thanks everyone for the Hockey and Hockey auto education. I would like to trade it but I put it up on Ebay with a BIN of $300 with a Best Offer option. I have alot of Baseball Cut autos, so I figure for a 2/2 thats not too bad of a price....THanks for all the help! And if anyone has baseball or football/basketball to trade Ill listedn to trade offers! Thanks!

[RGM81]

Good luck - hope you're able to get a good sale for it. Very cool card!