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[mrveggieman]

But it was just that, an agreement. Agreements are nothing more than saying "This is what we want to do and will do if we can make it happen." Until it becomes law it is worth nothing more than the paper it is written on.

Quite frankly, I think NAFTA has helped all involved, regardless of who created it or signed it. However, I fully believe that NAFTA was the catalyst that set the stage for outsourcing of jobs. When NAFTA took effect American companies were sending work to Mexico faster than Mexicans were hopping to border to come to America. It snowballed after that.



Awww come on. every Tom, Dick and Harry that could get their face on TV for 5 seconds was spouting off about how far our country had come now that we were on the verge of our first black president.

I am not saying that Obama was elected only because he was black, but it helped.

If Obama had been a white man with just 2 years of experience as a senator and ties to a minister who spouted off racial slurs and put down America he wouldn't have even been allowed on the Democratic ticket, much less been a viable candidate.

Sorry duane but I'm going to have to disagree with you. President Obama won despite the fact that he is black. He was clearly the better of the two choices and the people that voted fot put aside their hangups about color and put the best man in the seat. You don't think that the powers that be didn't try every possible dirty tatic to bring him down? Yes there is an element of society that will vote for or against someone solely based on race but that clearly did not happen in '08 since blacks only make up a small percentage of the american public and an even smaller percentage of registered voters.

[Star_Cards]

I wasn't saying that Clinton initiated TARP/ARRA funding. Clinton did NAFTA and China, Obama bears the responsibility for the trillions invested in ARRA.

With that said, the TARP program that GWB signed back in 2008 had an original estimated budget of $300 billion and came in at around an actual $245 billion, $179 billion of which has already been paid back to the Fed. So if the Wall Street thing is over the remaining $66 billion from the Bush TARP bailout then that is a lot of hoopla over a small amount of money (compared to what the government spends/waste regularly).

Also, considering Obama is the guy who said that he was going to fix everything and create jobs why is it that these Wall Street people have no issue with him?

Both bush and obama had bailouts. I liked none of them. Just found it interesting how you left the Rep who started one out of the list.

[duane1969]

Sorry duane but I'm going to have to disagree with you. President Obama won despite the fact that he is black. He was clearly the better of the two choices and the people that voted fot put aside their hangups about color and put the best man in the seat. You don't think that the powers that be didn't try every possible dirty tatic to bring him down? Yes there is an element of society that will vote for or against someone solely based on race but that clearly did not happen in '08 since blacks only make up a small percentage of the american public and an even smaller percentage of registered voters.

Just like there are people who vote against someone solely because of race/religion/political party there are those who vote for someone based solely on the same reasons. I do not believe that Obama was elected solely because he is black but I am sure that some people voted for him simply because he was black or simply to avoid appearing to be racist for not voting for him.

My honest opinion is that he got the Democratic nomination because of popularity and that he won the presidential election because America hoped he wouldn't be worse than McCain. However, there is no doubt in my mind that he got a free pass on some issues that a white man would not have gotten.

[sanfran22]

Neither of which was ever a presidential candidate that I am aware of.

Besides, Reid and Byrd are just the Democrat version of Affirmative Action LOL

But they could have been w/o objections was my point. They are in the party and are well thought of.

[Star_Cards]

the corporations pay not enough taxs and the little guy pay too much taxs. you can not keep your house and pay all your bills on $8.00 per hr, than what can you do?????

don't get me wrong. I'm not pro corporations, but if the conditions in the US cause them to leave for employees to be profitable then something needs to be figured out how to keep them here. I have no clue what the answer is. I think it's crazy when corporations pay little or zero taxes because they get breaks because the provide jobs. At this point, tax breaks are the major way they try to keep businesses happy. The thing is, some get tax breaks and still outsource. I get that the system is flawed but not sure how to fix.

[duane1969]

Both bush and obama had bailouts. I liked none of them. Just found it interesting how you left the Rep who started one out of the list.

I wasn't leaving one off. The Bush bailout was a fraction of the Obama one and most of it has been paid back. If the people on Wall Street are protesting bailouts then I hope they are smart enough to protest the one that we are $2 trillion in the hole on and not the one that we are $66 billion in the hole on.

[duane1969]

But they could have been w/o objections was my point. They are in the party and are well thought of.

Reid, yes. Byrd, no.

Byrd's history of being an outspoken racist would have killed him at the polls. He never would have made it close to the White House.

[sanfran22]

Reid, yes. Byrd, no.

Byrd's history of being an outspoken racist would have killed him at the polls. He never would have made it close to the White House.

Neither of them should make it close, but that wasn't my point.

[sanfran22]

If they had their way they would.

I think you should quit your job and open a business. Maybe then you would get a dose of reality.....

[habsheaven]

But it was just that, an agreement. Agreements are nothing more than saying "This is what we want to do and will do if we can make it happen." Until it becomes law it is worth nothing more than the paper it is written on.

Quite frankly, I think NAFTA has helped all involved, regardless of who created it or signed it. However, I fully believe that NAFTA was the catalyst that set the stage for outsourcing of jobs. When NAFTA took effect American companies were sending work to Mexico faster than Mexicans were hopping to border to come to America. It snowballed after that.

It was an agreement conceived, negotiated, and signed off on by a Republican president and a Conservative PM. That tells me that Clinton had no REAL claim to it despite the fact he signed it into law. At the time, I was a Bush, Mulroney and NAFTA supporter (still am btw). Up here, the Liberals, and New Democrats were decidely against NAFTA and arguably many people believe Mulroney sabotaged his political career by enacting it. It surely was a catalyst for outsourcing jobs. That remains one of the biggest benefits Canada draws from the agreement.