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[OBOMBA]

Absolutly. The Canucks were the most dominant team in last year's regular season, and the Bruins were the most dominant team in last year's playoffs. No questions about it, and I would never try to argue otherwise.

I'll even suggest that a rematch in the finals looks like a good bet this year.


I was responding to the comment that stated:

1. If Boston keeps this up they will be one of the most dominant teams in history
2. Nobody will ever be as dominant as the Canucks were last season.


Both are simply untrue. The Canucks of last year's regular season were only the 3rd best team since the lockout, and the Bruins (if they keep this up) are on pace to tie them.

If I go back and look throughout NHL history, there are 5 teams which earned 80% or more of their points. For a modern team to even be in the conversation of "most dominant regular season team ever" they would need to earn at least 132 points.

Exceptionally good? You bet! Serious Cup contenders? For sure! They were last year, and they are again this year. Amoung the most dominant teams of all time? They're not even in the top 10.

• Points
• Points Percentage
• Wins
• Regulation Losses
• Total PP% and Road PP%, along with total PPG and 5-on-4 goals.
• Home PK%
• FO%
• Goals-For, along with GF in 3rd Pd.
• Goals-Against, along with GA in 1st Pd.
• 5-on-5 GF/GA
• Winning % when outshot
• # wins when leading after 1st period, and after 2nd period
• # wins when scoring first, and least # of losses when scoring first
• Least # losses when trailing after 1st, and after 2nd period

yes the canucks were, and are the most dominant regular season team ever. its way harder to dominate under a salary cap . so those other teams you mentioned are laughable. some people just dont understand how much harder hockey is today.

[30ranfordfan]

dom·i·nate/ˈdäməˌnāt/


Verb:

• Have a commanding influence on; exercise control over.
• Be the most important or conspicuous person or thing in.

When it comes to sports, and in the terms of this discussion, I think the first definition of the word is more appropriate.

For each stat you list that the Canuck led the league in, I can name 3 others that they did not. Especially when you're going to quote things like 3rd period stats, or 1st period stats. Numbers that mean next to nothing, when they they don't corespond with wins.

Forgive me for using a baseball term - but we've heard for the last decade how David Ortiz is a great "clutch" hitter, becuase of his late-inning heroics, and helping the Red Sox come from behind. What that doesn't factor is in the 0-3 performance he had been leading up to the 'clutch' home run..... when a couple of earlier hits would have meant the Sox would never have been trailing. It's a bunch of nonsense.

I don't accept a team's ability to scores goals at a time of the game that some people arbitrarily deemed more important than others. Fact is, no team that finishes at (or near) the top of the leauge is ever particularily bad at special teams, 5-on-5, or an situational stat we can come up with.

The Canucks, despite all there great play last year, all their brilliance in the areas you mention, were only able to capture 71% of the points available to them. The Bruins of this season (who this thread was origionally started about) are on pace to equal that mark.... though they still have plenty of time to better it.

Unlike "who's the best team ever?" (or the "who's the best player ever?") arguments, this one (at least to me) is very clear cut.

The 29-30 Bruins had a Winning % of .875. There were four other teams (ever) that have been able hit the 80% mark.... two Habs teams in the 40s, and two more Habs teams in the 70s. The 95-96 Red Wings fell just shy of that mark - with 79% (and change).

I would never in a million years make the argument that if this year's Bruins all jumped into Doc Brown's Delorian and went back to 1976..... that they wouldn't absolutly destroy the compition. Of course they would. I'd like to think that the Habs from that era would be competitive today - but even to expect that (considering the equipment & conditioning differences) is probably unrealistic. Alex Ovechkin likely scores 9/10 Penalty Shots on Terry Sawchuk. Maurice Richard would be lucky to get 1/10 by Ryan Miller.

How different (for the better, or otherwise) hockey is today has NOTHING to do with the 09-10 Canucks ability to dominate the league vs teams of years past though.

They've got a salary cap? Why does that matter? If the Canucks / Bruins were playing with extra constraints compared to everyone else - then I would agree that you've got a point. But they play with the same cap as everyone else in the leauge..... so their ability to dominate the league isn't impaired by it. Does it make the GM's job more difficult? Of course it does.

Without spending hours doing the research, and actually comparing stats..... tell me this:

If a team were to go 8-1-1 over a 10 game strech..... winning 3 of those games by Shut Out, and scoring 5 or more goals 5 times... never allowing more than 2 in a game......

and a second team were to go 9-0-1 in the same stretch, but had no shut outs, and no games where they scored more than 4......


who is the most dominate?

While the first team has much better statistics, the second has a better record. Since I can never recall a single time in my life when a player answered "get a shut out" or "score 7 goals" as to what the team's goal was for the night..... it's simiply "win"..... the second, in my mind, was the more dominate. They were able to excercise their will against their opponents more often than the other team was.


Finally, despite the fact that I do not agree that the era you play in has any bearing on your ability to dominate could you please explain how it is that the Canucks of 2010-11 are the most dominate team of all time, yet they did not record as many points as the 2009-10 Washington Capitals, who played under all of the same conditions as those Canucks?

• Points
• Points Percentage
• Wins
• Regulation Losses
• Total PP% and Road PP%, along with total PPG and 5-on-4 goals.
• Home PK%
• FO%
• Goals-For, along with GF in 3rd Pd.
• Goals-Against, along with GA in 1st Pd.
• 5-on-5 GF/GA
• Winning % when outshot
• # wins when leading after 1st period, and after 2nd period
• # wins when scoring first, and least # of losses when scoring first
• Least # losses when trailing after 1st, and after 2nd period

yes the canucks were, and are the most dominant regular season team ever. its way harder to dominate under a salary cap . so those other teams you mentioned are laughable. some people just dont understand how much harder hockey is today.

[notoriousrob101]

Holy crap. I wish I had the patience to read the last couple posts. Canucks and Boston game in the morning 10 Pacific or 1 Eastern. This will be an intense game!