Non alcoholic beers

[duane1969]

I was raised in the Baptist church and married a Pentecostal preacher's daughter. In both religions (at least the churches I have attended, maybe not the entire religion) drinking non-alcoholic beers is essentially considered the worldly body craving worldly things and giving into that craving, even if it is non-alcoholic, is giving in to a worldly craving.

With that said, my mother has kidney problems and her doctor advised her to drink a beer a day to help keep her kidneys cleansed and active. She started drinking an O'Doul's a day to fulfill her medical needs while trying to maintain her religious beliefs.

So, consuimg a non-alcoholic beer is essentially admitting a desire to drink beer but trying to fight the body's urges by drinking non-alcoholic beer. The net result is a belief that eventually you will succumb to greater desires and have alcoholic beer. Thus, it is best to avoid all versions.

[AUTaxMan]

no, it was full on wine!
there was crappy wine and good wine back then, just like today. often the good wine was served until the guests were drunk, then the crap was brought out, because no one would notice.

this is obvious, if the passage is read.

i am unsure why some one would say different, there is no need to protect Jesus' reputation, he is Jesus after all!

As I was taught it, if you go back to the original Greek text, the use of the phrase "had too much to drink" as used in the story means something different than the way we conceptualize it today. Literally, it meant that one had consumed too much for the palate to discern the good wine from the bad wine. It did not mean full-blown drunkenness, as in "I had too much to drink last night and woke up in a New Orleans gutter."

[ensbergcollector]

As I was taught it, if you go back to the original Greek text, the use of the phrase "had too much to drink" as used in the story means something different than the way we conceptualize it today. Literally, it meant that one had consumed too much for the palate to discern the good wine from the bad wine. It did not mean full-blown drunkenness, as in "I had too much to drink last night and woke up in a New Orleans gutter."

i have heard this taught a number of different ways. i will check the greek tomorrow and get back with you guys.

[cardmasters]

noah got drunk so wine must been strong back then to.

[OnePimpTiger]

You are on point with everything except for the last part which I have to disagree with you. I am familiar with the story of jesus turning water into "wine" but how I was taught by my bishop that the wine that the bible was referring to would be the equivilant to today's grape soda or juice.

I have heard that all my life as well and I think it's hooey...the modern day religion trying to make the Bible fit it's beliefs.

Jesus drank wine...the real stuff...and it's not a terrible, blasphemous abomination. If you take the Bible at it's literal translation, nowhere does it say not to consume alcohol, it says to avoid drunkenness. For some people, moderation is not an option when it comes to alcohol. For those people, it's best not to drink at all, not to tempt yourself. For others, a glass of wine, beer, liquor, whatever is not a problem and there's nothing saying they shouldn't do it.

[shrewsbury]

onepimptiger, nice post.

For some people, moderation is not an option

exactly and this can be a huge issue. the mind, body, and spirit can become "ill" and this is what you should try to avoid.

[Wickabee]

I have heard that all my life as well and I think it's hooey...the modern day religion trying to make the Bible fit it's beliefs.

Jesus drank wine...the real stuff...and it's not a terrible, blasphemous abomination. If you take the Bible at it's literal translation, nowhere does it say not to consume alcohol, it says to avoid drunkenness. For some people, moderation is not an option when it comes to alcohol. For those people, it's best not to drink at all, not to tempt yourself. For others, a glass of wine, beer, liquor, whatever is not a problem and there's nothing saying they shouldn't do it.

Bang on. The Bible does warn about "druggery" but doesn't seem to fit alcohol into that category. Jesus not only turned water into wine, he turned water into good wine. If I'm not mistaken, the account states that many were surprised as, most hosts would serve the good wine until the guests were tipsy and not paying attention and then bring out the worst of what they had. When Jesus turned the water into wine, it was actually better wine than they had already been drinking.

In short, yeah alcohol consumption is okay according to the bible, drunkenness and abuse are not.