How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[ensbergcollector]

definitely true. I think most people can agree that a person named Jesus who preached christianity is extremely plausible. his post still doesn't prove the bible is an historical document.

there will never be a way to prove the bible is a historical document to anyone who doesn't believe in the things the bible contains. We view whether a historical document is accurate by whether we believe that the things it contains actually happened. Since non-religious people don't believe the supernatural things the bible contains, they will never view it as a historical document.
Honestly not sure why the conversation even takes place. If someone doesn't believe the things it contains, they will never believe it is accurate. and there won't be a way to convince them otherwise.

[Star_Cards]

there will never be a way to prove the bible is a historical document to anyone who doesn't believe in the things the bible contains. We view whether a historical document is accurate by whether we believe that the things it contains actually happened. Since non-religious people don't believe the supernatural things the bible contains, they will never view it as a historical document.
Honestly not sure why the conversation even takes place. If someone doesn't believe the things it contains, they will never believe it is accurate. and there won't be a way to convince them otherwise.

I agree. I personally don't think it's even worth a discussion. It was just brought up by a poster that it was the single more historical text... or at least I think that's what he was claiming. He definitely said it was a historical document.

[shrewsbury]

Proving any miracles would require us to go back in time, find a small group of people, on the exact day it happened , and gather the forensic and other evidence.
Many will site that no other ancient writers mentioned such an important figure, but remember jesus was only important to his followers, not the jews or romans, his band of main followers were very few in number and Christians were very few and far between. Also, Remember you are trying to track down less than two dozen individuals dating back to 25-90 AD. At its earliest times Christianity was viewed by the outside world (mainly the romans) as a small jewish sect.
So it would seem logical that other writers would not mention Him or the apostles. The only two mentioning of jesus are both downplayed as being intropolated into a work or because it is not first hand it is not the truth. The chance of Josephus or Tacitus running into jesus or an apostle is so small they wouldn’t have known if they did.

[Paddington]

proving that there are christians is not the task, people want proof of jesus.

the only references to jesus are second hand

this is not the way to prove the validity of jesus or christianity

even josephus' account has now be deemed a fake, it was added on by early christian who were the only and main source for transcription and translation of books.

The Bible was written by the ACTUAL eyewitnesses, they are not second hand accounts. Josephus was Rome's official Historian. They are not deemed to be fake except for those who wish to discredit the Biblical accounts.

[Paddington]

most of these are just historical recordings that christians existed. I doubt you'll find many people that don't believe that there were and are christians throughout history. They still give no historical credence to the claims of resurrection, virgin birth, and such.

Yes they do. Here's one:

ARISTIDES: (138-161 A.D.)
Aristides was a second-century Christian believer and philosopher from Athens. This portion of his defense of Christianity was addressed to the Roman Emperor Antonius Pius, who reigned from 138-161 A.D.
“The Son of the most high God, revealed by the Holy Spirit, descended from heaven, born of a Hebrew Virgin. His flesh he received from the Virgin, and he revealed himself in the human nature as the Son of God. In his goodness which brought the glad tidings, he has won the whole world by his life-giving preaching…He selected twelve apostles and taught the whole world by his mediatorial, light-giving truth.
And he was crucified, being pierced with nails by the Jews; and he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. He sent the apostles into all the world and instructed all by divine miracles full of wisdom. Their preaching bears blossoms and fruits to this day, and calls the whole world to illumination.”
Carey, “Aristides,” 68.

[Paddington]

definitely true. I think most people can agree that a person named Jesus who preached christianity is extremely plausible. his post still doesn't prove the bible is an historical document.

Yes, those historical writings DO affirm the biblical accounts. If Jesus hadn't really performed the Miracles that are recorded in the bible, don't you think that someone, somehwere would have written about how the disciples were lying? Yet you find no such writings. If He hadn't really risen from the dead, don't you think that someone would have written about how the body was still in the tomb, guarded by Roman Guards?

[habsheaven]

Yes they do. Here's one:

ARISTIDES: (138-161 A.D.)
Aristides was a second-century Christian believer and philosopher from Athens. This portion of his defense of Christianity was addressed to the Roman Emperor Antonius Pius, who reigned from 138-161 A.D.
“The Son of the most high God, revealed by the Holy Spirit, descended from heaven, born of a Hebrew Virgin. His flesh he received from the Virgin, and he revealed himself in the human nature as the Son of God. In his goodness which brought the glad tidings, he has won the whole world by his life-giving preaching…He selected twelve apostles and taught the whole world by his mediatorial, light-giving truth.
And he was crucified, being pierced with nails by the Jews; and he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. He sent the apostles into all the world and instructed all by divine miracles full of wisdom. Their preaching bears blossoms and fruits to this day, and calls the whole world to illumination.”
Carey, “Aristides,” 68.

How is this credible? It is written a 100 years after the guy's death?

[shrewsbury]

How is this credible? It is written a 100 years after the guy's death?

exactly!! what don't people understand about this?

[JustAlex]

Pfftt....

The GREATEST lie in the world!

Scaring people to the point where they give up their only life into believing in FAIRY TALES!

You gotta love christianity...

[habsheaven]

Pfftt....

The GREATEST lie in the world!

Scaring people to the point where they give up their only life into believing in FAIRY TALES!

You gotta love christianity...

You mean the CRUELEST lie in the world. Just think of how many god-fearing people that kill their loved ones to "save" them from the misery they do not want them to experience on this earth. In the belief that they will live happily ever after in Heaven.