How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Star_Cards]

Yeah those were the first few things off the top of my head. I also mentioned cards (some people may also say that is a bad habit too) someone else mentioned going to the gym for comfort which I would think most of us feel is something positive. Ultimately you have to do what works best for you. Yes it can be good at times to discuss some of your problems with family and friends but as for me I know that my family and friends are human just like me and there is only so much that they can do. I take comfort in believing that no matter what happens in life there is something out there that is greater than us.

I was just saying that while I don't pray, I feel it's something that's more positive than someone escaping to drugs or alcohol. I like the comparison to the gym etc, but get where you were coming. just thought you'd use more positive "escapes". :)

[Star_Cards]

Let me ask you the same thing I ask Habs. God forbid if you became terminally ill where would you get your strength?

If I became terminally ill, it would be tough, but I would deal with it through my inner strength and with the help of the people around me and their support. It's actually something that I've thought about a lot the last year and a half as my sister in law had terminal cancer for about a year and passed away last fall. I found myself thinking about how must she feel knowing that she's not going to be around much longer. Honestly I think it would be completely heartbreaking and surreal to have to deal with that. However for my personal beliefs, prayer would do nothing for me.

That said I don't have an issue with people finding comfort in that, but I just don't think prayer changes things. Having that belief I'd find zero comfort from praying.

[shrewsbury]

how does it take a stronger person to believe than not to believe? I will have to disagree. If you want to simplify not believing to "that is not worth my time" I will then do the same for believers and say... Anyone can say "someone told me this as I grew up so I will accept it as true."

so most who do not believe have taken the time to research, study, and participate? i am saying no, most who do not believe think it is not worth their time.

Anyone can say "someone told me this as I grew up so I will accept it as true."

this is true, but this is not a believer, but a follower, you see it in many things, not just religion.

but I have gone through some very tough events and I'm confident that I can tackle most issues on my own and if I need help I look to the people I trust in life.

and to some, this is what believing is about, not blind faith, but doing what YOU can, but the outcome may differ from your desires.

Believers are the majority and some believers are fairly harsh towards non believers

history has proven that believers of any religion have it harder than most.

[shrewsbury]

Or a debate the spoke against the need for baptism.

thanks man, would love to hear your opinion as well.

remember, this is just my opinion.


all must come by water and spirit, all humans are born of water (the womb) and all are born of spirit (or there would be no life).

so everyone can enter heaven, it now just depends upon YOU and YOUR actions, God gave you the only 2 requirements He has, the moment you are born, the rest is on you.

John, baptized to fullfil prophecy and find christ so he could announce his coming.

it is not something needed, though there is nothing wrong with the gesture.

[Star_Cards]

so most who do not believe have taken the time to research, study, and participate? i am saying no, most who do not believe think it is not worth their time.

for me it's not simply about my time value. It's about my experiences and knowledge and belief. I find zero value in religion and especially organized religion for me. I also don't agree with a lot issues that religions seem to put forefront these days when it comes to legislation and such. Also, I do not have a belief in the supernatural aspects that religions typically seem to be based on as far as the lore states.

as far as the "followers" statement. I'll say that odds are there are far more followers in organized religion than not. That's not said to offend anyone. I think it's just a product of people growing up in a certain religion.

[ensbergcollector]

remember, this is just my opinion.


all must come by water and spirit, all humans are born of water (the womb) and all are born of spirit (or there would be no life).

so everyone can enter heaven, it now just depends upon YOU and YOUR actions, God gave you the only 2 requirements He has, the moment you are born, the rest is on you.

John, baptized to fullfil prophecy and find christ so he could announce his coming.

it is not something needed, though there is nothing wrong with the gesture.

i can see that. for me, there is just too much evidence in the new testament that the disciples clearly taught baptism. Add to that jesus' words at the end of matthew. But like I said, i understand there are a lot out there who feel otherwise. thank you for sharing

[Star_Cards]

history has proven that believers of any religion have it harder than most.

like I said I'm not even comparing persecutions of religious people (jews for example) to anything going on these days. I'm simply stating that non belief in America is not the norm. It's a fact that christianity, in it's many different forms, is the majority in America. For you to say that nonbelievers are weaker is something I don't see as a whole definition. I guess the bottom line is there are weak people that belief all sorts of things :)

[boba]

cool, will do.

almost every instance we see in the book of acts has someone acknowledging belief and immediately being baptized (thousands in acts 2, philippian jailer, paul, ethiopian eunach, etc.)

1 Peter in making a comparison to the waters of the flood says "this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God."

The first half of Romans 6 discusses our baptism in terms of dying to christ and being born again through his resurrection.

Jesus' final command at the end of matthew is to go, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit.


i have never heard any debate in defense of the sinners prayer that made sense to me. Or a debate the spoke against the need for baptism.

thanks man, would love to hear your opinion as well.

+1, I agree with everything you say here.

[pspstatus]

I don't believe there is anything wrong with prayer, though I don't believe in its value myself. Likewise if a child has an illness and the parents try to pray for a cure instead of seeking medical care, if that child dies I believe the parents are responsible for a negligent death. I think the God's will argument is a cop out.

[Paddington]

What would you do if God spoke to you and you KNEW that it was God? Would you obey Him? What if God sent an angel into your family to save a loved one and you knew that there was no other explanation other than that God is real? What would you do if you saw God working in your life repeatedly in different situations and at different times? Would you believe in Him? Would you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?