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04-20-2012, 12:02 PM #11
i agree completely. we have no right to tell anyone they are going to hell. But to pretend something is not a sin when it is a sin is not love. Loving someone means loving them, not being ok with the sin in their lives. If a family has an intervention with an alcoholic, is that being unloving? I have had multiple homosexual friends, some that I have worked with, some that I went to school with. All knew I was not ok with that aspect of their life and yet all would tell you I loved them and respected them.
The problem I think we have found ourselves in is that few people seem to realize there are more than 2 options. We act as though our only choices are to 1). judge and condemn people to hell or 2). being completely ok with whatever people do.
If we have a friend who constantly lies, would we not call them out on their lying and tell them it isn't ok? If we have a friend who is verbally abusive to their spouse, is the loving and tolerant thing to stand by and say nothing? I am not promoting judgement or hate. I am saying there is a middle ground where you can love, tolerate, and accept someone without being ok with the sin in their life.
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05-07-2012, 03:08 AM #12
LOL, how is the Flood True?
There is absolutely no evidence for it!
Not to mention the fact that MILLIONS of animal species would NEVER fit into that boat.
As for the existence of Jesus.....yeah, I'm sure there was a man named Jesus that lived in that time and he was crucified.....but he was most likely NOT God or resurrect.
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05-07-2012, 08:01 AM #13
Since A good list was started I can work from that
The Great Flood/Rain of 40 days and 40 nights-there is a great deal of evidence that shows this did happen.
The existence of Jesus-there are too many accounts in many books across many cultures to prove that he does exist. -it is the rest that i question-the healing-rising from the dead
Everything created in 6 days-to be that one omnipotent power created the heavens the earth? Sorry cant believe this at all. Too much evidence that this is impossible
but makes for a great read.
Adam being first man. (obviously Eve being first woman) see above
Something about a snake and an apple.
10 Commandments.- this has been questioned and debated for years. Did Moses bring down a stone tablet with the Commandments that are the corner stone for our morals and laws today?
Characters living to impossible ages
House of Babel being the explanation of different cultures/languages/people.
Moses parting the sea (probably an embellishment)- actually proved he across at a part and time of low tide and the water was very low. the rest of the story is man made
Virgin birth-another man made story in my opinion
Creationism-to much evidence against this 100% false!
The bible is a well written book by MAN...as with any book you have to have some belief in the writer....
as far the part of being homosexual being a sin? again this book is written by MAN
Lets be honest. Today if someone worked up to us and said I speak for "God" and you are living in Sin...you might think he is a nut job...in fact i am sure every ward you enter will have one person has one.
But i know many people are I would consider the sane and read the Bible and have very strong Faith in "God". They Pray and continue to pray. They believe the bible and what has been written. I am not going to judge what the believe. as Well I ask that they dont judge me.
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05-07-2012, 08:01 AM #14
Alex, records and stories of a large flood are recorded in many societies around the world, not just the Bible. I never said NOAH's ARC was true. Of course, that part of the story is a fable. Similarily, I believe Jesus existed but that doesn't mean I buy into any of the many embellishments written about him.
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05-07-2012, 08:10 AM #15
Actually they believe they may have found pieces of an "ARK" but they cannot say 100% they are part of Noah's Ark
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05-07-2012, 08:38 AM #16
Oh, I see...
Ok, I thought you meant the whole story of "the flood" was true.
Which is just absurd.
Oh and LOL at the explaination that the Bible authors gave to a rainbow.
Of course they had no explanation for it so they made it up!!!
Thankfully, science has taught us that our world is NOT flat, it is NOT the center of the universe, the sun does NOT revolve around the earth, and evolution is a basically a FACT.
The Bible is nothing more than mythology to explain the inexplicable world to the ancients!
Unfortunately, we live in the 21st century and grown men and women still believe in fairy tales which have absolutely no proof and deny the evidence that science has provided.
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05-07-2012, 09:39 AM #17
I don't think I have ever heard this one. Care to expand on it?
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05-07-2012, 10:54 AM #18
Unfortunately, we live in the 21st century and grown men and women still believe in fairy tales which have absolutely no proof and deny the evidence that science has provided.
again, science has proven little. nearly all hypothesis have not been proven true and change, whetehr it is about evolution, human evolution, extinction of the dinosaurs, migration of ancient people, and a whole slew of others, science has provided great ideas, but ideas that conflict with eachother. common sense does not equal correct ideas, but logic that we can understand, and to think it is easy to understand god, well that's a mistake.
as a christian i could care less about the old testament, and it would take another lifetime to try to make sense and study it, i only have one. though we see many correct things in it, such as military methods, geographical locations, kings, and other facts, we will choose what is real and what is a fairytale.
the new testament has some important things in it, but has been handled by men and thus has been tainted to a certain degree.
as a christian only jesus is important to me, not mans ideas of him, but what he means to me and how this affects my life.
where did life as we know it come from? lightning striking mud or the hand of god, either sound pretty crazy to me. but because you can see both lightning and mud it is easier to believe this, but we cannot create life from anything that is not already here. we do not even understand the subatomic or quantum worlds, but yet we know everything?
and where does jesus say the world is flat or the sun revolves around the earth? he does not, men has, you must seperate the man from god to even start to try and figure things out.
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05-07-2012, 12:40 PM #19
Do you realize that at a time science taught us that all of those things were true?
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05-07-2012, 12:46 PM #20
Which scientists claimed any of those to be true?
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Originally Posted by shrewsbury 
