The Bible

[Star_Cards]

This is insane (Noah's Ark and ALL the land animals). Even the most impossible of events are defended by some people. If the only way a believer can believe that this event happened was due to God performing miracles, why the heck did He flood everything to begin with? Just snap your darn fingers and set things how you want them. What was God a drama queen? Making a big production out of everything so that He can rush in and save the day with the miracle of "animal collection and storage".

I can only explain that as a biased sports fan trying to defend a negative action. Those people are blinded by their vested interest.

I see Noah's arc as a story created to bring fear to people. telling people they better act under these rules or god will cause a flood and kill off all of the bad people is a great way to control people who believe such a story.

[shrewsbury]

so all the flood stories in antiquity are to scare people? that could work

[habsheaven]

so all the flood stories in antiquity are to scare people? that could work

No, not all the flood stories. Some are told just to relay a historical event and are probably embellished each time they are re-told over the generations. Flood stories that include statements of facts, that a reasonable person knows is not humanly possible without mystical assistance, are probably told for the purpose of propogating the christian faith.

[Star_Cards]

actually i heard an interview with richard dawkins, he was asked this fundemental question as this was his answer, followed with, we don't really know.

the onedru, this is just another example of why i believe in a god.

I think that's the point, while evolutionists use logic and concrete ideas based in science most never claim to know for sure and have an open mind for if and when new ideas are presented. Creationists seem to be wrapped up in having the exact answer and defending that because it follows a faith that they typically are very much personally invested in. From my point of view there's a huge bias because of that personal investment into the faith. It's typically not allowable for an objective view.

[Star_Cards]

so all the flood stories in antiquity are to scare people? that could work

not all flood stories. It's not the flood part. It's the whole idea that a god would cleanse the entire planet in such a fashion that I find odd.

[Star_Cards]

No, not all the flood stories. Some are told just to relay a historical event and are probably embellished each time they are re-told over the generations. Flood stories that include statements of facts, that a reasonable person knows is not humanly possible without mystical assistance, are probably told for the purpose of propogating the christian faith.

well said. it's sort of like when Katrina hit or any other disaster for that matter and someone will try to say that it's god cleansing the earth when we have actual reasons why Katrina happened (the hurricane and the flooding of New Orleans).

[shrewsbury]

so the fact is, there is nothing supernatural?

[habsheaven]

so the fact is, there is nothing supernatural?

Tough question. If I had to bet the farm on it, I would say "No". There are many unexplained phenomena occuring in the world but that doesn't make them supernatural, it only makes their explanation unknown for now.

[Star_Cards]

so the fact is, there is nothing supernatural?

tough question in deed. I also lean to the side of if I had to choose I would say so. Not a fact as that's not really possible to say, but I'll base my opinions on logical explanations over saying something was supernatural.

[shrewsbury]

[QUOTE] but I'll base my opinions on logical explanations over saying something was supernatural.[QUOTE]

an so would i.

us christians saying we believe our god created everything, does not mean we know how, why, or what the heck is going on.

it gives us one answer but an answer that opens itself to countless more questions.

the real issue is what is god and what is man made?

science can explain many things, but it does not have all the answers, and christianity is the same way. when we think of the molecular and subatomic levels this is mind blowing, where does everything lead back to?

the fact is that supernatural means something that cannot be explained by science or the laws of nature, but as we all know science is still learning and nature is still being understood.

the idea of a single source for all things is in every culture, religion, and science. whether the big bang, wu ji, or god it is all a singularity.