George Zimmerman was Right

[habsheaven]

How do we know that Zimmerman didn't step to Trayvon, tried to rob and intimidate him and Trayvon wasn't the one standing his ground until Zimerman murdered him?

All we know is that Zimmerman was following him, Martin was seen beating on Zimmerman, someone was heard screaming for help and Martin ended up dead. If/when we find out how the actual altercation began then we can try to determine fault/guilt. Until then, how does introducing hypotheticals into the discussion help?

[mrveggieman]

All we know is that Zimmerman was following him, Martin was seen beating on Zimmerman, someone was heard screaming for help and Martin ended up dead. If/when we find out how the actual altercation began then we can try to determine fault/guilt. Until then, how does introducing hypotheticals into the discussion help?

Everyone else has a theory on what happened on that faitful night. Why can't I?

[Star_Cards]

So if you are walking down the street late alone at night minding your business and a complete stranger is starting to follow you should do you not have a right to defend yourself from possible harm if that stanger provokes you?

If a guy is following me down the street late at night and I'm minding my business I don't have the right to attack him.

Had martin even punched zimmerman and broke his nose I'd have no real issue with that since zimmerman out himself in that situation... even if zimmerman was just casually following him from a distance. It's the part about having a man on the ground and continuing to beat him as he cried for help that says he went over the line and became the aggressor. If that's what is proven actually happened. Once martin is on top of martin and beating him, zimmerman posed no threat to him and he should have stopped.

[Star_Cards]

How do we know that Zimmerman didn't step to Trayvon, tried to rob and intimidate him and Trayvon wasn't the one standing his ground until Zimerman murdered him?

we don't really. my post was based of the scenario that martin threw the first punch and continued once he had zimmerman on the ground.

had zimmerman walked up to martin and grabbed him or hit him, then martin would have every right to punch zimmerman back. he still would have crossed the line had he had martin subdued and continued beating him.

[theonedru]

If a guy is following me down the street late at night and I'm minding my business I don't have the right to attack him.

Had martin even punched zimmerman and broke his nose I'd have no real issue with that since zimmerman out himself in that situation... even if zimmerman was just casually following him from a distance. It's the part about having a man on the ground and continuing to beat him as he cried for help that says he went over the line and became the aggressor. If that's what is proven actually happened. Once martin is on top of martin and beating him, zimmerman posed no threat to him and he should have stopped.

What if Zimmerman had been saying threatening or intimidating things to him as he followed him to make Martin think he might be in jeopardy? Its not always a physical attack that can cause one to defend themselves and go on the attack,

[Star_Cards]

Everyone else has a theory on what happened on that faitful night. Why can't I?

do you really think zimmerman was trying to rob martin? that's a stretch from what I've heard about the situation. why call the police and talk about a person that you are going to rob. Intimidate? maybe. I could see that possibility. we really don't know how far back martin was following.

[shrewsbury]

why didn't trayvon call 911?
he had a cell phone

also who's to say that zimmerman didn't pull his gun and trayvon tried to disarm him, they ended up entangled on the ground and zimmerman shot him?

[Star_Cards]

What if Zimmerman had been saying threatening or intimidating things to him as he followed him to make Martin think he might be in jeopardy? Its not always a physical attack that can cause one to defend themselves and go on the attack,

very true. had zimmerman been saying threatening things and provoking martin I could see where martin might want to or actually punch him. I'm not sure if legally you are allowed to assault a person just because he is saying threatening things to you, but can see where in this case martin would have been asking to be hit... more or less. still, even in this scenario martin would have crossed the line by continuing to beat him... if martin was crying for help and wasn't hitting martin back and just defending martin's attack.

[Star_Cards]

why didn't trayvon call 911?
he had a cell phone

also who's to say that zimmerman didn't pull his gun and trayvon tried to disarm him, they ended up entangled on the ground and zimmerman shot him?

if someone is following me at night I think calling 911 would be something I'd do. Never been in that situation, but one would think that would be something I'd do if being followed like that at night.

very true... the fight could have started because zimmerman pulled his weapon. If it comes to light that zimmerman pulled his gun on martin the attack would have been justified in my opinion. Although, even in that scenario zimmerman may have been legally deemed no longer a threat and martin would not have had the right to continue beating him.

If martin knew he had a gun at the time he punched him initially and went to the ground it's reasonable to say that even if zimmerman was crying for help martin would have still be threatened by the presence of a gun and justified his his continued beating.

from what I have heard it doesn't sound like that was the case, but I'm open to the fact if it's said that's how it happened. From what I've heard it sort of sounds like martin got pissed off that zimmerman was following him and took that anger out by attacking zimmerman to the point of beating him and bashing his head on the ground. Of course new facts would change my thoughts on the case.

[shrewsbury]

star-cards, i agree