UDI acusses Upper Deck of counterfeit Game Used "shreds" in trading cards

[reoddai]

Just found this brief by the judge on the UDI vs UDC lawsuit from Paul Lesko's website

If you are interested in the full briefing, feel free to read it here:
http://cconnect.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-...DI-5-18-12.pdf

B. Counterfeiting
On top of UDC’s alleged counterfeiting of Uh-Gi-Oh! cards, UDI alleges that UDC has
also been counterfeiting “game-worn” jerseys, shreds of which are included in packs of
trading cards. Word of this has circulated throughout the industry, and even though UDI
isn’t involved in the counterfeiting, its own reputation and business relationships are
suffering. So, here, again, UDI’s core grievance is that UDC’s conduct, over which it has
no control, is adversely affecting its own business interests. (See FAC ¶¶ 27–41.)

I'm not saying that UD is counterfeiting game used jersey pieces, but what do you think will happen to the value of a GU if its found to be true? Most are already at the 1$ range.

[mxaxtxtx]

Lawyer here. If you have the time, read through the entirety of the judgment...the conclusion summarizes it the best...most of these claims have no merits and are merely part of a shouting match between UDI and UDC.

As a side note though, I wouldn't be surprised if the industry were faking some of these game used cards. Heck, a Panini Rep told us last year a Shield from Savard card was from a 80's sweater when it was obviously one of the post lockout sweaters.

Just found this brief by the judge on the UDI vs UDC lawsuit from Paul Lesko's website

If you are interested in the full briefing, feel free to read it here:
http://cconnect.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-...DI-5-18-12.pdf



I'm not saying that UD is counterfeiting game used jersey pieces, but what do you think will happen to the value of a GU if its found to be true? Most are already at the 1$ range.

[reoddai]

Lawyer here. If you have the time, read through the entirety of the judgment...the conclusion summarizes it the best...most of these claims have no merits and are merely part of a shouting match between UDI and UDC.

I tried to read through from teh beginning, but only got to about 2/3 of the way through to the part where the judge started discussing why UDI's counterclaim couldn't be mooted because they asked for legal fees. Its a lot of legalese and the judge isn't exactly writing for an audience. I did read the summary though and that part.

I just wish I could see what the FAC 27-41 were. I thought they may have been something that came up in the Konami case where they admitted to counterfeiting the Yugioh cards.

[centrehice]

Lawyer here. If you have the time, read through the entirety of the judgment...the conclusion summarizes it the best...most of these claims have no merits and are merely part of a shouting match between UDI and UDC.

As a side note though, I wouldn't be surprised if the industry were faking some of these game used cards. Heck, a Panini Rep told us last year a Shield from Savard card was from a 80's sweater when it was obviously one of the post lockout sweaters.

They did not have NHL Shields on any 80's sweaters, so that one was not hard to figure out.

[Thrak360]

As a side note though, I wouldn't be surprised if the industry were faking some of these game used cards. Heck, a Panini Rep told us last year a Shield from Savard card was from a 80's sweater when it was obviously one of the post lockout sweaters.

lol I remember that. The rep quickly chimed in to identify the Savard shield as being from 1988. But never did come back to correct his statement. In fact, that Panini rep account never made another post at SCF, lol.

[Kessel_fan_87]

This can't be good for the jersey card market or the industry as a whole imo

[2010CTyler]

There is no doubt in my mind that many companies use a regular old jersey off the shelf and pass it off as "game used". How is this regulated??!! Who actually follows up on these claims??!! It seems to me that an industry which produces "game used" memorabilia has an unlimited potential to essentially print money. In the future, I would like to see some aspects of the collectibles industry government regulated to ensure legitimacy. It would possibly result in higher card values and make jersey cards worth more than $1-$2.

What I just suggested would drastically raise the cost of production for the company, but raise the value for the consumer. In the end, I don't think that the hobby could get any more expensive than it already is. The hobby won't be sustainable long term if we keep getting $15 value in $100+ boxes.

[adamslogik]

Really? $15 resale value out of a $100 box.... WELCOME TO THE HOBBY WORLD.

Stop treating it like a business.

How many other Hobbies do you know that people make money on?

Say your hobby is fishing, do the lures that you spend $10 on all of the sudden sell for $20 on the secondary market? OF COURSE NOT.

I don't know why all of us card collectors feel like cards should be any different than any other thing you buy.

When you buy something and then try to sell it, 90% of the time you need to sell it for less than you paid.

It is called ECONOMICS.

The reason why you pay $100 for a hobby box is because you get some nice looking cards inside, and you have a chance to hit some nice pulls. They are called hobby boxes because they are marketing toward people who COLLECT cards, not people who are looking to flip them. None of these companies need to worry about secondary market value, because that is not their problem if you are dumb enough to buy a box expecting to sell it for more.

In most markets when you buy something, it is worth exactly what you paid for it. Once you open the packaging, it immediately loses value. Think of a car, or a DVD, a book, anything. when you go to the Pawn shop or the local video store and pick up a used Blu Ray or DVD or Game, do you expect to pay the same for it as it retailed for? Of course not, you expect to pay much less, because it is no longer wrapped in it's original packaging, which makes it used.

the HOBBY will always be sustainable as long as people are interested in COLLECTING nice looking cards and not worrying about resale.

I collect for the love. Nice cards are worth paying for, if I'm only buying them to sell them, then what is the point?

[Kessel_fan_87]

Really? $15 resale value out of a $100 box.... WELCOME TO THE HOBBY WORLD.

Stop treating it like a business.

How many other Hobbies do you know that people make money on?

Say your hobby is fishing, do the lures that you spend $10 on all of the sudden sell for $20 on the secondary market? OF COURSE NOT.

I don't know why all of us card collectors feel like cards should be any different than any other thing you buy.

When you buy something and then try to sell it, 90% of the time you need to sell it for less than you paid.

It is called ECONOMICS.

The reason why you pay $100 for a hobby box is because you get some nice looking cards inside, and you have a chance to hit some nice pulls. They are called hobby boxes because they are marketing toward people who COLLECT cards, not people who are looking to flip them. None of these companies need to worry about secondary market value, because that is not their problem if you are dumb enough to buy a box expecting to sell it for more.

In most markets when you buy something, it is worth exactly what you paid for it. Once you open the packaging, it immediately loses value. Think of a car, or a DVD, a book, anything. when you go to the Pawn shop or the local video store and pick up a used Blu Ray or DVD or Game, do you expect to pay the same for it as it retailed for? Of course not, you expect to pay much less, because it is no longer wrapped in it's original packaging, which makes it used.

the HOBBY will always be sustainable as long as people are interested in COLLECTING nice looking cards and not worrying about resale.

I collect for the love. Nice cards are worth paying for, if I'm only buying them to sell them, then what is the point?

^^^This^^^
I've never sold a card and I dont ever plan to

[2010CTyler]

I never treat it as a business. However, today you don't even get %50 value back on any product. Even if you just collect, there is no value there