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07-23-2012, 02:42 PM #1
Another difficult eBayer ----ugggggghhhhhhhh!
I purchased 2 cards from brme2054 for next to nothing because he didn't know how to list them properly with the title and everything. Cards had a BV of $110, and was very excited because I paid about $15 with shipping. Well I guess it was too good to be true. Cards come 3-4 days later, and to my surprise when I open my mailbox, a PWE. I was hoping that there was still a chance they'd be alright, and despite my fingers being crossed they were demolished.
Card #1- Alex Oveckin 06/07 BAP First Exposures Jersey BV $50
front: 1 bend on either side of jersey piece, pretty big and hard to miss
back: 1 bend down the card where the square jersey piece sticks out on the back of the card
Card #2- Ovechkin/Fleishman/Brind'amour/Staal 08/09 MVP 2 on 2 Jerseys BV $60
front: 2 bends on staal, 3 on brindy
back: 2 bends on ovechkin, 1 small and one extending the length of the whole card, same with fleishman
Long story short, cards have no value. So, in my rage, instead of leaving negative feedback right away I contact him (of course in the auction it says he doesn't accept returns) about the problem. Don't get a response for 4 days, so I send another. He tells me that he'll refund me the cost of the cards not shipping, and he wants them back. That makes me feel a little better, but I was still bummed about the cards. So I tell him how about if you refund me the $4 you charged me to ship them, and I'll pay to send them back to you and everything's even. Well don't you know I get a message back:
"If sending the cards back was an issue, why didn't you bring it up when you received my response on Friday? At this point, I have unsaleable cards (which you won't return unless I refund your original shipping), a pending refund and the costs associated with shipping and handling the items originally. I am not being unreasonable in asking for the items to be returned so I can provide you a refund that I am under no obligation to provide. If you are unwilling to return the items then I recommend you open a case with eBay, leave negative feedback and I will do the same."
I get that he didn't have to give me the refund in the first place, but he refused to see the mistake that he made in shipping. He blames USPS completely. He said:
"Sorry the cards didn't arrive in good condition. I packed them adequately and have not had complaints from other buyers of similar items. As you are aware, I can't prevent the USPS from mishandling the item. I don't accept returns as outlined in the listing. I will, however, refund the cost of the items, minus the original shipping. If this is acceptable, please return the cards and I will process the refund."
That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while, that he shipped them adequately and that USPS mishandled it. I also checked his feedback and he has only sold trading card before my purchase, and he says he's sold all these similar items and never had complaints. Ha! Now i'm out the cards and $6 bucks because he didn't do proper research to find out how to mail a jersey card first.
If you've stayed with my rant this long, thanks very much and comments appreciated.
-Cam
***Sorry for the wierd white highlights, I can't figure out how to get them off ever since I copied from eBay, lol.
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07-23-2012, 02:45 PM #2
Adequately shipped? Wow, this guy needs a lesson.....
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07-23-2012, 02:50 PM #3
Few things that stick out. I don't think he's being too unreasonable but he was in the wrong to send them that way. With any ebay purchase 99% of the time you are on the hook to send the items back (cost wise) From a sellers perspective unless I have dealt with the person before or I have proof of the damaged cards I wouldn't start handing out refunds.
How he shipped the cards was unacceptable but how hes dealt with it since hasn't really been that bad. On a side note he can't leave you negative feedback (unless ebay has changed their rules in the last few months) He can only leave you positive feedback or none at all.
At this point I would cut your losses if the refund value of the cards is less than what it would cost to ship them. If it's not than return them and get your card value refund. In this situation you both lose. Just make sure you never buy from him again and better luck next time.
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07-23-2012, 03:14 PM #4
Did he mention PWE in the auction? Was it nonmachinable? Sellers need to learn about nonmachinable PWE.. it is $.20 more and is a lot better. I had one issue with a nonmachineable in hundreds of deals.. and the P.O. accidently didn't send it nonmachinable. You can send The Cup cards this way.. you shouldn't.. but you can. His mistake was not sending nice cards in a bubble in the first place. I can see if this was some common inserts or base, but who sends 50BV cards this way? I feel for you.
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07-23-2012, 03:50 PM #5
If the guy charged you $4 for shipping, then obviously I would expect more than a PWE (unless he specified).
One could work out a pretty good scam that way if you were so inclined. Sell your damaged cards, ship them in a PWE and say the damage happened in the mail. Offer to refund the cost but not the shipping and since you charged $4 and it costs you under a buck to ship PWE, you're up $3 PLUS he's asking you to send the cards back, so he can even sell them that way AGAIN and make another $3 profit.
I'm not saying that this guy is doing this, and I don't pretend to know too much about ebay, but it seems to me that if one were so inclined, one could make a few extra bucks that way.
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07-23-2012, 04:17 PM #6
I ended up just taking the $6 2 card loss, which is disappointing but not worth the battle. No PWE was mentioned in the auction, otherwise I would have payed a few extra bucks to get them in bubble mailers. Anybody who has ever dealt with mailing cards knows that they can get destroyed in the mail. The only thing about the scam idea is that the cards were fine in the scans, but then again maybe he took them from somewhere else.
However I will be shipping them out in a PWE tomorrow though, to save me some cash just like him. Definitely on my "Do not buy from" list.
Thanks for all the comments!
-Cam
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07-23-2012, 04:30 PM #7
Especially in bubble mailers.
Stinks you lost on money, makes no sense why eBay allows that still in terms of shipping.
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07-23-2012, 04:36 PM #8
Solution is simple, open a case item not as described, get your money back through the claim, leave negative if you are unhappy with the transaction. that way you arent out any money. it is the sellers fault for shipping in a PWE in the first place
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07-23-2012, 04:40 PM #9
Whatever you do, make sure you neg the guy and mention that he ships in PWE even though he is charging $4 for shipping. That way others know not to deal with him, or to insist on proper shipping methods (the shipping that they are PAYING for)
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07-23-2012, 05:22 PM #10
He did?
This is why eBay is an issue. The seller deserves a DSR hit in shipping charges. But a negative AFTER he actually did what eBay ask for them to do? That isn't fair for sellers at all. Neurtal maybe.. but positive with a mention of PWE but seller issued refund is fine. Buyers have it made on eBay.
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Originally Posted by camr14 
