Going off the Cliff?

[Wickabee]

What loopholes do they find? How, exactly, do they tax dodge? What is a fair share? You realize that police, firefighters, teachers are paid for with state tax revenue, not federal tax revenue, right? I respect you and think you're a pretty smart guy, and I'd love to have an informed discussion with you on tax policy, but if you want an honest discussion about this stuff, I request that you stop generalizing and start getting specific.

1 - You know.

2 - Again

3 - Fair share is a fair share, not deducting what's in the Caymans

4 - I'm sure they have their dodges for state as well as federal.

5 - Admittedly I don't have a working knowledge of the American tax system, but I, as well as you, know what's going on. The Republicans dream is to have the middle class pay all taxes. I just can't believe they've found enough middle class voters stupid enough to agree.

[AUTaxMan]

1 - You know.

2 - Again

3 - Fair share is a fair share, not deducting what's in the Caymans

4 - I'm sure they have their dodges for state as well as federal.

5 - Admittedly I don't have a working knowledge of the American tax system, but I, as well as you, know what's going on. The Republicans dream is to have the middle class pay all taxes. I just can't believe they've found enough middle class voters stupid enough to agree.

1 and 2. Acutally, I don't know. That's why I'm asking you. My guess is that you, like most people, don't know the answer either. Please prove me wrong.

3. You are demonstrating that you are merely beating the liberal drum without putting independent thought into your opinions.

4. You're sure?

5. Please have a basic knowledge about matters you are discussing before you opine on things that you don't really know anything about. The republicans, mostly made up of the middle class, do NOT want to have all the middle class pay all taxes. That is an ignorant statement.

[JustAlex]

5 - Admittedly I don't have a working knowledge of the American tax system, but I, as well as you, know what's going on. The Republicans dream is to have the middle class pay all taxes. I just can't believe they've found enough middle class voters stupid enough to agree.

I think the republican dream is to have the richest Americans have little to no taxes at all.

Why?

Because they have tricked their simple minded followers that they are the "Job creators", that without them there are ZERO jobs and this country would cease to exist in it's present state.

They tell the American public that there is so much outsourcing because the "Job creators" can't deal with these "high taxes".

FACT: The U.S has one of the LOWEST tax rates on this planet for first world countries, and the Bush tax cuts have been in effect for a DECADE and that is STILL not enough for the "Job Creators".


I HATE the Republican party.....I really do....I don't know how ordinary middle and LOWER class Americans can support them.

"Class Warfare"???

They're the ones who have been invented such a thing by allowing the Richest Americans to get away with anything they want!

[Wickabee]

1 - Haha, no I don't know the titles of the tax codes they're in. I guess that's proof that all Romeny's money is in the US and he's not legally hiding it from the government through loopholes. Man, with that logic we can definitely prove God doesn't exist too! Because lack of presented proof from one source equates a lack of existence. GENIUS!

3 - Yes, you're right. Everyone who disagrees with YOU obviously never put any thought into anything. YOU are infallible. The rest of us are scum. I am not worth, etc etc. Now that we've reaffirmed your ego can we get on with our lives?

4 - Yes, although I don't know the titles and exact codes, which means I absolutely must be wrong. You are the chosen (even though you're not looking up anything to refute my claim and it's YOUR tax system we're talking about).

5 - I have basic knowledge. You are seeking exact knowledge from me. I have never been anything but up front on what I bring to the table. You're asking for more than I've offered. You're asking for information which has nothing to do with me and everything to do with you. You know the codes and I'm sure you can find the cheats much more easily than I can. Unfortunately, you won't look into it for yourself because you're such a free thinker...wait...

[AUTaxMan]

1 - Haha, no I don't know the titles of the tax codes they're in. I guess that's proof that all Romeny's money is in the US and he's not legally hiding it from the government through loopholes. Man, with that logic we can definitely prove God doesn't exist too! Because lack of presented proof from one source equates a lack of existence. GENIUS!

Baseless allegations do not equal fact. Lack of proof does not equal lack of existence, but the burden is on you to prove the allegations are true, not on me to defend allegations that you haven't even defined. That would be like the police telling me I'm guilty of a nameless crime unless I prove that I'm not.

3 - Yes, you're right. Everyone who disagrees with YOU obviously never put any thought into anything. YOU are infallible. The rest of us are scum. I am not worth, etc etc. Now that we've reaffirmed your ego can we get on with our lives?

No, but clearly you have some personal issues. I am not infallible, and you are not scum. I neither said nor implied either of those things. You say fair share is fair share, but you can't even tell me what it means. How am I supposed to know what my fair share is?

5 - I have basic knowledge. You are seeking exact knowledge from me. I have never been anything but up front on what I bring to the table. You're asking for more than I've offered. You're asking for information which has nothing to do with me and everything to do with you. You know the codes and I'm sure you can find the cheats much more easily than I can. Unfortunately, you won't look into it for yourself because you're such a free thinker...wait...

You have formed an opinion that all rich people are tax dodgers. I want to know what you've based that on.

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[mrveggieman]

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As far as the rich being tax dogers since they are rich most of them became and stayed that way by taking care of their money. They have tax advisors to tell them where to hide their money to avoid paying taxes. On the cool I can't be mad at them for doing right by their own money. I would probably do the same if I had it like that. However as long as we have the current tax system the rich will continue to avoid paying their fair share and leaving the working people as the burden bayer of the tax system. That is why we need to switch to a fair tax system now.

[AUTaxMan]

As far as the rich being tax dogers since they are rich most of them became and stayed that way by taking care of their money. They have tax advisors to tell them where to hide their money to avoid paying taxes. On the cool I can't be mad at them for doing right by their own money. I would probably do the same if I had it like that. However as long as we have the current tax system the rich will continue to avoid paying their fair share and leaving the working people as the burden bayer of the tax system. That is why we need to switch to a fair tax system now.

If you employ tax professionals to legally minimize your taxes, are you a "tax dodger?" There we see "fair share" again. What does that mean? Seriously.

[mrveggieman]

If you employ tax professionals to legally minimize your taxes, are you a "tax dodger?" There we see "fair share" again. What does that mean? Seriously.

I am saying that you legally got over on the system. It is not an indictment of the person who avoided the taxes but rather an indictment of our tax system. A better tax system would be a flat tax on consumption as perscribed by the fair tax.

[AUTaxMan]

I am saying that you legally got over on the system. It is not an indictment of the person who avoided the taxes but rather an indictment of our tax system. A better tax system would be a flat tax on consumption as perscribed by the fair tax.

Totally agree veg, but it IS used as an indictment of the taxpayers, and it should not be.

[mrveggieman]

Totally agree veg, but it IS used as an indictment of the taxpayers, and it should not be.

I also would like to blame the politicians who write these tax laws in order for their rich buddies as well as themselves to avoid paying taxes.