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08-20-2012, 04:12 PM #11
Much like 2011-12 MVP that was part of Victory correct?
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08-20-2012, 04:28 PM #12New Project Manager
Yes, we have entered them as 2011-12 Upper Deck Victory MVP, so we consider them like insert. But if a product like last year victory was a stand alone and then in Upper Deck 2 more rookie are release we do flag them as rookie since Victory was a standalone product.
The samw way we flag rookie anthology added rookie to other brand of panini. SO if they release more pinnacle rookie with the numbering following the last number of the regular release these were flag as rookie. Probably the only exception we did since they we late addition that we let in the crack. But the card are exactly the same and mainly they are like OPC used to do way back in then.
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08-20-2012, 04:29 PM #13
It's pretty much been covered here, and for listing them as a seller, you're best off to use "11-12 Certified RC Parallel" or "08-09 Victory Gold Rookie".
If it's just labelling for your PC, though, it's entirely up to you. Before I gave up on it as a PC, I was trying to get every Canucks RC I could. To me, that included every card made during the RC season, be it base RC, parallel, GU, insert, whatever. I know there are more than a few others who see it the same way.
But if you're talking official official that no one can argue with, then it's been covered pretty well.
YG = RC
High Gloss, Exclusives YG = Not RC
Victory = RC
Victory Red, Gold, Black = Not RC
etc etc.
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08-20-2012, 04:37 PM #14
Thanks Guys
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08-20-2012, 06:03 PM #15
Last time I checked Beckett does not make cards.
A Rookie Card is whatever the manufacture deems a rookie card.
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08-21-2012, 12:18 PM #16Hockey Manager
The generally accepted criteria for what makes a rookie player's card an RC are the following:
- Must be produced by a licensed manufacturer
- Must be the first year of eligibility for the player to have licensed cards produced*
- Must be widely distributed**
- Must be part of the base set with standard numbering***
- Must have a print run of at least 99 copies.****
* If a player debuts in the 2011-12 season, only cards made of the player in that product year (unless he debuted after the cutoff date and is a hold-over to the next year's products) can be considered RC's. If he had only 2 RC's in 2011-12 products, UD and Panini cannot make more RC's of him in 2012-13 products. Additionally, cards produced as redemptions from a previous year's products (think Be A Player when UD did those redemption cards for a couple years) cannot be considered RC's. The player must have played an NHL game (or, if a goalie, dressed as a back-up) in order to be eligible for an RC.
** Team sets and local/regional releases are not counted as RC's. As an example, the McDonald's cards produced by Upper Deck this past year for the Montreal Canadiens included cards of Alexei Emelin and Raphael Diaz. These are not considered RC's. There is an exception to this - in 2005-06, McDonald's included a chase Sidney Crosby card (#51) in the product. It was not initially considered an RC by Beckett, but after a considerable outcry by collectors it was granted the RC designation.
*** Insert cards and parallels are not considered RC's. An SP Authentic Holo FX (usually #'d FX-xx) or an SP Authentic Limited Auto Patch Variation (even though they have the same numbering on the checklist as the RC's) are not rookie cards. All sets from UD and Panini have a standard set that runs from 1-xxx and it is only those rookie player's cards' standard versions which are considered RC's.
**** Titanium is, of course, the notable exception to this rule.
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08-21-2012, 12:41 PM #17
So 91-92 OPC Jaromir Jagr "Supoer Rookie" is a RC?
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08-21-2012, 01:53 PM #18
No because the OPC card the year before supercedes it.
I'm talking about cards like 99-00 Dynagon Ice and Prism. Luongo has a 99-00 Prism Rookie Card. That is his first Prism Card and Pacific States it's a rookie, so it's a rookie.
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08-21-2012, 02:08 PM #19
The term rookie card is one of the most subjective terms in our hobby. Ask 10 people and you will get 10 different answers. For example I collect a lot of basketball. Michael Jordan even though he first played in the nba in 1984/85 his "true" rookie card is not considered to to be until the 1986/87 fleer. Or take some of the rookies from the 2011/12 nba season. Kemba Walker is the perfect example. Even though he had some cards made of him by topps in the mcdonalds all american set in 2008 when he was in high school as well as a SI Kids card of him in college his true rookie card would be the cards just released by nba hoops even though his first card has already been released for 4 years. Also in hockey a lot of people wouldn't consider those hockey draft pic sets that were real popular in the 1990s true rookie cards. Bottom line since there is no industry standard that is agreed upon by the card companies there is no such thing as a "true" rookie card.
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08-21-2012, 03:00 PM #20
The NHL works differently than other sports. And I am most positive that most sports work different than baseball (since baseball can have "rookies" from all different years.)
NHL players can ONLY have rookies upon stepping onto the NHL ice and play a regular season NHL game. Goalies must be at least a back-up for one regular season game.
These rookies must be made by a licensed company: Panini and Upper Deck specifically for a licensed NHL product.
It is not the first card made regardless of any company but the first card made by the criteria's above.
In order to be "true" rookies, they must:
- be part of the base set with standard numbering "1 to ######"
- is usually the most available card for that player in the set (exception goes to titanium)
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Originally Posted by centrehice 
