the Truth on Violence in the Scriptures

[Wickabee]

wickabee, again I agree with you, but i have to add neither was all the other places we have helped since Obama was in office.

There's a huge difference between helping with foreign aid and "helping" by turning a country into a war zone over oi...I mean non-existent WMDs.

[mrveggieman]

wickabee, again I agree with you, but i have to add neither was all the other places we have helped since Obama was in office.

I'm not sure how you can consider illegally invading a foreign country, overthrowing their president and leaving that country in ruins and mass chaos as "help".

[Wickabee]

I'm not sure how you can consider illegally invading a foreign country, overthrowing their president and leaving that country in ruins and mass chaos as "help".

To be fair, Saddam was a problem and I'm sure many Iraqis are happy he'd dead.
He just wasn't your problem.

[JustAlex]

Why Christians listen to atheists who quote Scripture to them is beyond ironic, and beyond my comprehension. This Truth is for all, even those who reject God, His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Word.

Then allow me to explain.

MANY atheists were once christians, like me.....we read the bible just like you and many other christians and we saw just how flawed it really is.

When I and any other atheist uses scripture it's because we want to show just how easy it is to make the bible say anything you want it to say.

There's a big reason why the Christian religion is splintered into HUNDREDS of denominations.....and that is that everyone has his/her own interpretation of the bible.

They're either ALL correct or no one is correct.

Ex-Christians such as myself have come to the realization that they are all incorrect.

To be perfectly honest with you and everyone else, I'm more Anti-religious than Anti-God......It wouldn't bother me if god was indeed real, however there is no way the bible or any other religion is real.

[pspstatus]

To be perfectly honest with you and everyone else, I'm more Anti-religious than Anti-God......It wouldn't bother me if god was indeed real, however there is no way the bible or any other religion is real.

Feel exactly the same way. In fact I hope there is a God. That would answer so many questions. At this point I doubt it but I'm not completely close minded to the possibility. As far as organized religion goes, quite frankly I think it can be helpful but much too often it becomes dangerous.

[Wickabee]

To be perfectly honest with you and everyone else, I'm more Anti-religious than Anti-God......It wouldn't bother me if god was indeed real, however there is no way the bible or any other religion is real.

I'd like to believe you alex, but you just described my exact feelings on the subject and you and I do not see eye to eye on a lot of things.

[JustAlex]

Feel exactly the same way. In fact I hope there is a God. That would answer so many questions. At this point I doubt it but I'm not completely close minded to the possibility. As far as organized religion goes, quite frankly I think it can be helpful but much too often it becomes dangerous.

A god would in fact answer a lot of questions, but unfortunately it would bring up a lot more questions along with it.

For example who created God?

And of course once you ask that question it becomes into an infinite question....who created the creator of god and the creator of the creator and so on.

God has always been an easy way for humans to explain the inexplicable.

How did we get here?
How did everything form?
Why are things the way they are?

Well....."God did it".....how?, it doesn't matter he's god, he can do anything.


It's basically a magic genie that can do anything he pleases and doesn't require explanation.

I'd like to believe you alex, but you just described my exact feelings on the subject and you and I do not see eye to eye on a lot of things.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

After all, everyone has a different way to view everything, there are some things which we might share a similar thought and other things which we look at in extreme opposites.

To be fair, sometimes I don't properly explain my thoughts or they come out the wrong way and that leads to misunderstanding and unnecessary argument.

However, I think I have already shown that I'm not afraid to be wrong, nor does it hurt my ego to ask for forgiveness when I say something stupid or hurtful.

[Tivo32]

A god would in fact answer a lot of questions, but unfortunately it would bring up a lot more questions along with it.

For example who created God?

And of course once you ask that question it becomes into an infinite question....who created the creator of god and the creator of the creator and so on.

God has always been an easy way for humans to explain the inexplicable.

How did we get here?
How did everything form?
Why are things the way they are?

Well....."God did it".....how?, it doesn't matter he's god, he can do anything.


It's basically a magic genie that can do anything he pleases and doesn't require explanation.

A Christian who has spent time honestly searching and studying the Bible can explain what they believe to be reasonable and creditable answers to those questions. Enough so that they place some faith and security in those answers.

[JustAlex]

A Christian who has spent time honestly searching and studying the Bible can explain what they believe to be reasonable and creditable answers to those questions. Enough so that they place some faith and security in those answers.

Yes, I know, but at the end of the day, those "answers" are in actuality an interpretation.

BTW, the #1 response I get when I ask "Who created God?" is usually......God has always been, he has no creator, he is the beginning and the end.

Sorry, that's not a good answer....AT ALL!

If you want to say that (without any proof) then I can easily say....The Universe has always been, it had no creator, it is the beginning and the end.

[Tivo32]

Yes, I know, but at the end of the day, those "answers" are in actuality an interpretation.

Fair enough. But they're still answers. It's a person trying to make sense of life given the framework and lens they view the world through, in this case Christianity and the Bible.

BTW, the #1 response I get when I ask "Who created God?" is usually......God has always been, he has no creator, he is the beginning and the end.

Sorry, that's not a good answer....AT ALL!

You may not like that answer or feel like it's a good answer, but that's the answer (at least the Christian answer).

If you want to say that (without any proof) then I can easily say....The Universe has always been, it had no creator, it is the beginning and the end.

You have every, single right to say that.

Responses in bold.