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    Like to say that there are 3 manifestations of God, There is only one God. There can only be one creator.

    That's impossible. Logic tells us that some creator had to create your creator. And if you suggest otherwise, than we can assume that we also did not need a creator to create us.

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    The inspired author's intent in the Bible is not to give you a history, science or geography lesson, that's what God gave you a brain for. It was written to show mans relationship to God and how that relationship went from severed to whole ultimately through Jesus the Christ. If you want to learn about "global migration" the Bible is not the place to look.

    Obviously you have not read it. It is full of history, or at least that is what I have seen and heard every other christian say. At least you got the last line right.

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    habs, I would not argue that logic but would like to add, there had to be an initial action that created the first reaction. This initial "action" had to have a force applied to it, this force had to come from something. What this something is could be argue as Brahma, God, atomic reaction, chemical reaction, or who knows what.

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    That's impossible. Logic tells us that some creator had to create your creator. And if you suggest otherwise, than we can assume that we also did not need a creator to create us.

    How does something that's always been get created?

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    Obviously you have not read it. It is full of history, or at least that is what I have seen and heard every other christian say. At least you got the last line right.

    At least we agree on one thing, that's good, so I can't obviously be as complete a liar as you initially inferred. If you're looking for Salvation History the Bible is a good place to start, so yes the Bible is full of history, just not the kind of history you are looking for.

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    At least we agree on one thing, that's good, so I can't obviously be as complete a liar as you initially inferred. If you're looking for Salvation History the Bible is a good place to start, so yes the Bible is full of history, just not the kind of history you are looking for.

    I don't need a book filled with balderdash and lies to know how to behave. Thanks for that anyway. Try separating morality from religion. It's possible. Your country is full of great, moral people that don't give a flying FireTruck about any religion, let alone one that is not feasible and fact based.

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    I don't need a book filled with balderdash and lies to know how to behave. Thanks for that anyway. Try separating morality from religion. It's possible. Your country is full of great, moral people that don't give a flying FireTruck about any religion, let alone one that is not feasible and fact based.

    Good for you. I can see we share some common ground in some of your statement. The more one does what is good, the freer one becomes. There is no true freedom except in the service of what is good and just. The choice to disobey and do evil is an abuse of freedom. There are a great many moral people who do care for religion in this country also.

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    It's really not about freedom . Evil is not an abuse of freedom, it's a human frailty that spawns bad behaviour, and like it on not, always based on choice, and it not always a causative of one's environment, or the latitude given by it's society of the lack thereof. You can be free as a bird, yet still be an arse-hole, conversely, you can be chained, and indentured and be one as well.

    The moral human that steals to eat with no other recourse, is not the same as the bully who willingly takes food from the mouths of those who have little or nothing, but that shows violence or disdain in doing so.

    Yes, a good deed does leave one with a certain sense of positive energy, but upon completion of a good deed, more freedoms are not granted.

    Unfortunately you live in a country where your leaders have brainwashed you into thinking that no other countries offer you the freedom that you have in the USA, and nothing could be more farther from the truth.

    As long as you follow the dictate that everything is based on freedom, you will be easily led and will agree with being told what to do.

    Freedom comes from experiencing and embracing the positive cultures and lives of others on the planet, and not just in your own nation. The best thing you can do is to live in another country, or several other countries, not so that you can come home and brag up yours, but to learn valuable life lessons in the search for tolerance and acceptance.

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    How does something that's always been get created?

    How does ANYTHING "always be"?

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    It's really not about freedom . Evil is not an abuse of freedom, it's a human frailty that spawns bad behaviour, and like it on not, always based on choice, and it not always a causative of one's environment, or the latitude given by it's society of the lack thereof. You can be free as a bird, yet still be an arse-hole, conversely, you can be chained, and indentured and be one as well.

    The moral human that steals to eat with no other recourse, is not the same as the bully who willingly takes food from the mouths of those who have little or nothing, but that shows violence or disdain in doing so.

    Yes, a good deed does leave one with a certain sense of positive energy, but upon completion of a good deed, more freedoms are not granted.

    Unfortunately you live in a country where your leaders have brainwashed you into thinking that no other countries offer you the freedom that you have in the USA, and nothing could be more farther from the truth.

    As long as you follow the dictate that everything is based on freedom, you will be easily led and will agree with being told what to do.

    Freedom comes from experiencing and embracing the positive cultures and lives of others on the planet, and not just in your own nation. The best thing you can do is to live in another country, or several other countries, not so that you can come home and brag up yours, but to learn valuable life lessons in the search for tolerance and acceptance.

    I think we're using the same word and applying different meanings to it. I get were you're coming from now, but not why you seem to be so angry. As far as world travel is concerned, you seem to be the expert so I will accept your assessment, with reservations of course. With that, we seem to have gone quite far afield from the OP, I'm gonna bug out. Peace.

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