Rarity of a card?

[Craig2]

I've been watching this card on Ebay:

http://bit.ly/1cYKtEb

I don't see this often (if at all), but I can't find any information about pack odds and/or how many of each were produced. Any idea on their rarity? I'd like to make an offer, but I'm trying to figure out what might be fair.

[13stepper]

No idea on rarity, imagine buying a $2 pack of this stuff and hitting that card, that would be fantastic!!

[09232003]

I've been watching this card on Ebay:

http://bit.ly/1cYKtEb

I don't see this often (if at all), but I can't find any information about pack odds and/or how many of each were produced. Any idea on their rarity? I'd like to make an offer, but I'm trying to figure out what might be fair.

here is another one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-12-MVP-On...#ht_298wt_1170

I have not found anything to indicate thats this cad is short print
as for fair offer, not sure but its what you think the card is worth to you, but bv on these is only $30-80

they are nice and good luck with it

jim

[RGM81]

There are some really long odds on the MVP autos. I want to say 1:864 or longer, which works out to 1 per 36 boxes if that number holds up. Naturally, UD doesn't disclose SP's or print runs on these cards so there's not a ton of info out there. I know that whenever the Price/Eller pops up on eBay it has a fairly high listing price but won't usually sell if posted at $75 or higher.

[09232003]

There are some really long odds on the MVP autos. I want to say 1:864 or longer, which works out to 1 per 36 boxes if that number holds up. Naturally, UD doesn't disclose SP's or print runs on these cards so there's not a ton of info out there. I know that whenever the Price/Eller pops up on eBay it has a fairly high listing price but won't usually sell if posted at $75 or higher.

I think thats about right if memeory serves me well (getting old so sometimes its lacking) the odds were about 1 per case if that sounds right
its a nice card for sure but I dont see it going over bv

jim

[Craig2]

Thanks for the help, guys. I don't mind paying somewhere around the high BV given that they're a tough pull, but both of those BINs seem high to me.

[roverpak]

they look pretty rare. this was cut and pasted from ud blog site. 1:34,380 packs....


Practically Everything You Want to Know About 2011-12 NHL Upper Deck Series Two
Posted by: Chris Carlin | Comments (15)

If there is one set that hockey fans love putting together every year, it is the base Upper Deck set. It is the flagship brand that draws in young and old collectors alike and the Young Guns rookie cards are always in high demand. Once we shared information about Young Guns and other rookie sets in 2011-12 NHL Upper Deck Series Two, fans have been fired up to break open packs to find their favorite players. Every season, early November is almost like a holiday when Series One releases and March is just as exciting when Series Two hits shelves.
2011-12 NHL Upper Deck is live in stores today!

Today Upper Deck cases are cracking all throughout North America and fans are racing to finish putting together their sets of not only Upper Deck, but also MVP, Victory and O-Pee-Chee. One of the big draws for 2011-12 NHL Upper Deck Series Two is that it includes update cards of these other sets that were released earlier in the season along with rookie cards of top future stars like Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.

As you are flying through packs we wanted to put together some information that would help you about the release of 2011-12 NHL Upper Deck Series Two. Here is some key information that will help you as you go through the cards this week:
Autograph Content – There are absolutely ZERO redemption cards in the product. All autographs are live in the product. There are both sticker autographs and hard-signed autographs that can be found randomly in packs.
Young Guns Printing Plate Cards – There are One-of-One printing cards of Young Gun rookies from Series One and Series Two that can be found in random packs of 2011-12 NHL Upper Deck Series Two. This includes the checklist cards. That means there are four different Ryan Nugent-Hopkins printing plate cards (Black, Cyan, Magenta and Yellow) available of his iconic Young Guns rookie card.
Andrew Shaw – Chicago Blackhawks newcomer Andrew Shaw hit the ice a little too late for us to get him in the main Young Guns set, but we were able to include him in the Young Guns Canvas set. His Canvas Young Guns card will be his lone card in the product and it should create a lot of buzz around that card should he continue to play well.
Pelle Lindbergh – There are 15 retired stars featured in the UD Canvas set and a notable name that made the checklist is Pelle Lindbergh. This is Lindbergh’s first Upper Deck issued card in several years and this card will be his only appearance in this product so don’t miss it!
UD Canvas Autographs – Fans really seemed to enjoy the Canvas set in Series One so the hockey team worked to add a little more high-end content to it for Series Two. Collectors can look for two different on-card autographs in the Canvas set of hockey legend Bobby Orr (numbered to 66 matching his rookie season) and Canadien superstar goalie Carey Price (numbered to 31 to match his jersey number).

Sid & Ovi Buyback Autographs – We have been including some buyback autographs in recent NHL releases of top stars like Sidney Crosby. In 2011-12 NHL Upper Deck Series Two puck fans can find hard-signed buyback autograph cards of both Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin. Crosby signed just two copies of his 2008-09 Upper Deck Game Jersey card. Ovechkin on the other hand signed 21 copies of his 2005-06 Upper Deck Power Play rookie card. Each will include a hologram on the back and a Certificate of Authenticity card with a matching hologram.
Hockey Heroes Hard-Signed Autographs Return – For 2011-12 NHL Upper Deck Series Two the Hockey Heroes insert set looks at stars from 1960’s and included in packs are hard-signed autograph parallels. You can find autographed Hockey Heroes parallel cards of Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita, Phil Esposito, Bobby Orr, Alex Delvecchio, Red Kelly, Johnny Bower, Rogie Vachon and Jean Beliveau limited to just 15 copies. Also keep on the lookout for a rare dual signed card of Bobby Hull and Stan Mikita limited to just ten copies.

NHL Champ’s Content – As many fans know, Upper Deck has been pulling redemption cards from releases and producing less product in order to have more live autograph content in packs and reduce the use of redemptions. But what happens when we pull the redemptions and the cards come back in. We want to get those cards out to the public somehow. Such is the case with the 2009-10 NHL Champ’s Cam Barker mini autograph cards. We received them in after the release and after his redemptions were pulled. These will be randomly inserted into 2011-12 NHL Upper Deck Series Two in order to get them into the market and they are seeded as a bonus autograph card. The odds of pulling them are roughly 1:13,500 hobby packs and 1:2,300 retail packs.
Short Print List – Will Upper Deck release a short print list on non-numbered autograph cards? You bet we will. Here you go!
2011-12 NHL Upper Deck Series Two Game Jersey cards – Worthy of note, Group B cards are easier to pull than Group C cards as a whole, but Group B cards are more scarce individually.

GROUP C (1:53)

GJ-AE	Alexander Edler
GJ-AV	Antoine Vermette
GJ-DB	Derick Brassard
GJ-DR	Derek Roy
GJ-ED	Evgeny Dadonov
GJ-GP	George Parros
GJ-JG	Jean-Sebastien Giguere
GJ-JL	John-Michael Liles
GJ-JS	Jason Spezza
GJ-LS	Luke Schenn
GJ-MD	Matt Duchene
GJ-MT	Marty Turco
GJ-NB	Nicklas Backstrom
GJ-NF	Nikita Filatov
GJ-NG	Nathan Gerbe
GJ-SV	Semyon Varlamov

GROUP B (1:44)

GJ-AH	Ales Hemsky
GJ-AT	Alex Tanguay
GJ-BB	Brian Boyle
GJ-BD	Brandon Dubinsky
GJ-BR	Dustin Brown
GJ-CA	Jeff Carter
GJ-CP	Chris Pronger
GJ-CS	Chris Stewart
GJ-DK	David Krejci
GJ-JA	Jason Arnott
GJ-JB	Josh Bailey
GJ-JJ	Jack Johnson
GJ-JP	Jason Pominville
GJ-JV	Jakub Voracek
GJ-KL	Kari Lehtonen
GJ-KV	Kris Versteeg
GJ-LE	Loui Eriksson
GJ-MC	Matt Carkner
GJ-MF	Michael Frolik
GJ-MS	Marc Staal
GJ-NL	Nicklas Lidstrom
GJ-RM	Ryan Miller
GJ-SE	Devin Setoguchi
GJ-SH	Scott Hartnell
GJ-SO	Steve Ott
GJ-ST	Drew Stafford
GJ-TV	Thomas Vanek
GJ-TZ	Travis Zajac
GJ-VA	James van Riemsdyk
GJ-ZC	Zdeno Chara

GROUP A (1:4,624)

GJ-AO	Alexander Ovechkin
GJ-JT	Jonathan Toews
GJ-RL	Roberto Luongo
GJ-SC	Sidney Crosby

2011-12 NHL Upper Deck Series Two Signature cards

GROUP C (1:720)

UDS-AL	Andrew Ladd
UDS-BR	Derick Brassard
UDS-CO	Cal O’Reilly
UDS-DB	Drayson Bowman
UDS-JO	Johnny Oduya
UDS-JS	James Sheppard
UDS-KA	Keith Aulie
UDS-LK	Lauri Korpikoski
UDS-ML	Maxim Lapierre
UDS-PM	Philip McRae

GROUP B (1:2,792)

UDS-AS	Alex Stalock
UDS-BA	Josh Bailey
UDS-CL	David Clarkson
UDS-DC	Daniel Carcillo
UDS-ER	Jonathan Ericsson
UDS-JE	Jordan Eberle
UDS-JN	James Neal
UDS-LC	Logan Couture
UDS-MD	Michael Del Zotto
UDS-MF	Michael Frolik
UDS-MI	Brendan Mikkelson
UDS-MT	Mattias Tedenby
UDS-NF	Nick Foligno
UDS-NG	Nicklas Grossman
UDS-PO	Patrick O’Sullivan
UDS-TM	Thomas McCollum

GROUP A (1:2,970)

UDS-AD	Adam Larsson
UDS-AO	Alexander Ovechkin
UDS-AP	Alex Pietrangelo
UDS-BL	Brian Lee
UDS-BM	Brett MacLean
UDS-CH	Cody Hodgson
UDS-DA	David Backes
UDS-DP	Dion Phaneuf
UDS-GL	Gabriel Landeskog
UDS-JB	Jonathon Blum
UDS-JH	Josh Harding
UDS-JM	Jacob Markstrom
UDS-MR	Mike Ribeiro
UDS-MS	Marc Savard
UDS-NH	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
UDS-PA	Daniel Paille
UDS-PK	Patrick Kane
UDS-PL	Pascal Leclaire
UDS-RJ	Ryan Jones
UDS-SC	Sidney Crosby
UDS-SG	Sam Gagner
UDS-SS	Steven Stamkos
UDS-SW	Shea Weber
UDS-WG	Wayne Gretzky

2011-12 NHL MVP One-on-One Signature cards

GROUP C (1:7,016)

MVP-CH	Joe Colborne/Cody Hodgson
MVP-PE	Magnus Paajarvi/Jordan Eberle

GROUP B (1:9,419)

MVP-#1#2	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins/Gabriel Landeskog
MVP-LBBR	Carey Price/Lars Eller
MVP-OS	Alexander Ovechkin/Steven Stamkos

GROUP A (1:34,380)

MVP-DT	Pavel Datsyuk/Jonathan Toews
MVP-HO	Brett Hull/Adam Oates

2011-12 NHL O-Pee-Chee Update Signatures

GROUP B (1:2,547)

OPC-AL	Andrew Ladd
OPC-BM	Brett MacLean
OPC-DB	Drayson Bowman
OPC-JM	Jacob Markstrom
OPC-MU	Peter Mueller

GROUP A (1:6,136)

OPC-AO	Alexander Ovechkin
OPC-BO	Bobby Orr
OPC-GL	Guillaume Latendresse
OPC-JE	Jordan Eberle
OPC-NH	Nathan Horton
OPC-RY	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
OPC-SC	Sidney Crosby
OPC-SW	Stephen Weiss
OPC-TM	Thomas McCollum
OPC-WG	Wayne Gretzky

2011-12 NHL O-Pee-Chee Team Canada Signatures

GROUP B (1:2,553)

TC-AH	Adam Henrique
TC-BC	Brett Connolly
TC-CE	Cody Eakin
TC-CM	Clarke MacArthur
TC-DR	Derek Roy
TC-GN	Greg Nemisz
TC-KA	Keith Aulie

GROUP A (1:6,101)

TC-CU	Sean Couturier
TC-EG	Erik Gudbranson
TC-JS	Jeff Skinner
TC-RJ	Ryan Johansen
TC-RY	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

GROUP C (1:7,016)

MVP-CH	Joe Colborne/Cody Hodgson
MVP-PE	Magnus Paajarvi/Jordan Eberle

GROUP B (1:9,419)

MVP-#1#2	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins/Gabriel Landeskog
MVP-LBBR	Carey Price/Lars Eller
MVP-OS	Alexander Ovechkin/Steven Stamkos

GROUP A (1:34,380)

MVP-DT	Pavel Datsyuk/Jonathan Toews
MVP-HO	Brett Hull/Adam Oates

[09232003]

wow with those odd its about 1 in every 80 cases!!

did I do my math right
case is 18 boxes so thats 18x24packs=432

so 34,380/432=79.5

lmk
jim

[RGM81]

Well that's even more scarce. Wow.

[adamslogik]

isn't it absolutely incredible that a card THAT rare, featuring 2 absolute superstar players, is selling for $150 BIN and people think that is too high?

Pretty much the rarest hit in the product (except 1/1's obviously) and all it will bring is $80-$100.


Ebay has done terrible things for card values.