12-13 The Cup ???

[MattDMC]

That's not at all what Prime did. Prime is a 12-13 product that features the same rookies as you see in the rest of the 12-13 products. There are no RC's of players that debuted in the lockout-shortened 2013 season as they're part of the Double Rookie Class for 2013-14 products.

What Prime *did* do is make a product that heavily emphasizes the veteran content and game-worn memorabilia aspect of the product. Yes there are the RC's in there but they're mostly an afterthought relative to the Prime Colors, Prime Laces, etc.

Yes I know Prime and Dominion are from the same year and have the same rookie crop but that doesn't change what I said in having UD do the same. Why can't UD release a 13-14 The Cup and include a bonus pack (call it an update set or delayed release) of a 12-13 The Cup? All I was getting at is maybe UD should try to find some way to make a dual release using a bonus pack idea like what Prime did with the Dominion pack. The Prime/Dominon release is two different releases into one, why can't you do the same with a Dual Cup release in the same manner? We always have cards from earlier years releases put into the next seasons release (11-12 SOTT in 12-13 SPA) so what difference would it be if instead of 12-13 cards being inserted into 13-14 tins of the cup if they just did two seperate packs in the same tin as two releases?

[canucksfan007]

please never eeever speak of this jt brown again. i'm positive they double printed his rookie cards in all 12-13 products, even the serial numbered ones.

for a nano second you think you've pulled a leaf, then quickly realize it's a tampa guy. your eyes scan for a name..J.T BROWN.&$&*`$#%[*^^*%$#^&^#@!$%##

Im not sure why people continue to bust 12/13 wax .... they all knew how bad it was from the 1st product ...... can anyone else say addiction?

[30ranfordfan]

IMO it would make no sense to have a 12-13 release of the Cup. It would be more worthwhile to salvage what they could from it (assuming they had already started producing some cards prior to the lockout) and release it as extras in 13-14 The Cup. If they had produced some RC's for the set from 12-13, I guess just destroy them (no!!!!! no JT Brown Cup RC's for his many collectors!!! said nobody ever)

I agree completely that if there are 249 less JT Brown RCs in the world, nothing bad will come of it. Heck, even for some of the bigger name (Chris Krieder?) the idea of "not having a Cup ARP", IMO, isn't all that big of a deal

Yes I know Prime and Dominion are from the same year and have the same rookie crop but that doesn't change what I said in having UD do the same. Why can't UD release a 13-14 The Cup and include a bonus pack (call it an update set or delayed release) of a 12-13 The Cup? All I was getting at is maybe UD should try to find some way to make a dual release using a bonus pack idea like what Prime did with the Dominion pack. The Prime/Dominon release is two different releases into one, why can't you do the same with a Dual Cup release in the same manner? We always have cards from earlier years releases put into the next seasons release (11-12 SOTT in 12-13 SPA) so what difference would it be if instead of 12-13 cards being inserted into 13-14 tins of the cup if they just did two seperate packs in the same tin as two releases?

I see you point, but I think it comes down to what you're going to do with those cards, and what UD (or collectors) consider they are - and I mean specifically with the rookies.

If you put a "bonus pack" of a 12-13 product into a 13-14 product, is it still a 12-13 product? Both UD and Panini have done a great job of blurring the lines for what ties a product to a given release year (it certianly isn't the timing of the release anymore. We're collecting in an age where "next year's cards" come out before "this year's cards").

But the biggest problem I see with UD doing bonus packs of The Cup - they'd be killing the brand. It's supposed to be their flagship release, for hockey, the biggest of the big - and for them to go the route of turning a release into bonus cards?? IMO - it takes away from the product. Yes, Panini just did that with Dominion..... but Dominion isn't the cream of the crop for hockey products (The Cup is) and the resale value of the cards (especially the RCs) is a fraction of The Cup.



If I were Upper Deck - what I would have decided to do a long time ago.... is still make it (and I bet they will be making it) but make the release much more limited. Pick the best 5 rookies and make them /99, but only add another 20 that are /249 after that. Then lower the overall production run. Don't promise a RC in every tin. Take away from the normal RC emphasis, and rely on stars / retired players as the big hits.

It's either that, or scrap it.... throw the RCs & base in the garbage, and use the other stuff in the 13-14 release.

[Topps Gold Label]

UD statement yesterday regarding The Cup:
"There are a variety of reasons that we have not been able to make a statement about the product yet. We will share information when we are allowed to do so, not before. Sorry!"

Supposedly the deadline for release is 9/30. I also believe Ultimate was/is supposed to be included, as SPx was with SPA.

[iidaemmi]

I buy only the individual cards from ebay, but anyway, this product is awesome. What's more important to me, there is every year a few Gilmour cards included, not ten as in many other products.

The Cup is something else just like Eddie Cochran says.

Harri

[Inferno]

As long as UD is around there will be a Cup set every year, it's too much of a money maker and they can't afford not to make some version of it regardless of the rookie situation. They have always waited until the last minute to release details and I don't expect any different even though they don't seem to have anything else in the pipeline for 2012-13 that they would risk damaging sales with a Cup announcement.