I have a question.

[Wickabee]

When you think of the sale value on a YG versus an Artifacts /999 or /699 we all start to look stupid.

Something in the 8k-10k range is probably a good bet.

You can do some basic math to give yourself a chance of guessing.... but that's all it is. Guess work.

There is typically 1 Exclusive or HG per box. 250 cards in the set.... and with print runs of /100 and /10, I can say that there are 2500 HGs printed, and 25,000 exclusives printed. That's (roughly) 27,500 Hobby Boxes. Multiply that number by 6 (how many YGs per box) and you get 165,000. Divide that by 50, for how many are in the set, and you get 3300. I would round up to 3500 to be safe.

Of course, this is just rough math based on hobby boxes. It doesn't include the cards available in blasters or tins. I would imagine just as many were printed for retail packing as hobby, so that would double it to 7,000.

How accurate is that? I have no idea. I'll bet 7k is still a low ball, and there is more like 10k out there - but that's just a guess.

[mooneyes]

Something in the 8k-10k range is probably a good bet.

You can do some basic math to give yourself a chance of guessing.... but that's all it is. Guess work.

There is typically 1 Exclusive or HG per box. 250 cards in the set.... and with print runs of /100 and /10, I can say that there are 2500 HGs printed, and 25,000 exclusives printed. That's (roughly) 27,500 Hobby Boxes. Multiply that number by 6 (how many YGs per box) and you get 165,000. Divide that by 50, for how many are in the set, and you get 3300. I would round up to 3500 to be safe.

Of course, this is just rough math based on hobby boxes. It doesn't include the cards available in blasters or tins. I would imagine just as many were printed for retail packing as hobby, so that would double it to 7,000.

How accurate is that? I have no idea. I'll bet 7k is still a low ball, and there is more like 10k out there - but that's just a guess.

Logical reasoning Ranford, save for one thing, I have opened and seen tons of boxes opened with ZERO YG/100 let alone a /10....

Say for example there is only 27-30,000 boxes...That might be enough to supply Ontario and Quebec perhaps?
Would it be too far out for a dealer to buy 10 cases, which would be 1,000 boxes right there....just in my Very small circle of people I know in Winnipeg, a few avg Joes bought 5 cases each hoping to Flip asap ( that didn't work out so well by the way )....so....I don't know, just thinking out loud here, so no hat'n please lol, just think U.D would ship at least 500-2,000 cases to each major market in N.A.....anyway I am to lazy to do all this hypothetical math ;P...my guess would be in the 1/2 to 1 million YG's...Minimum, 100,000, but just my guess...tried google, no luck....I assume this info is Top Secret!

[theboxbreaker96]

Logical reasoning Ranford, save for one thing, I have opened and seen tons of boxes opened with ZERO YG/100 let alone a /10....

Say for example there is only 27-30,000 boxes...That might be enough to supply Ontario and Quebec perhaps?
Would it be too far out for a dealer to buy 10 cases, which would be 1,000 boxes right there....just in my Very small circle of people I know in Winnipeg, a few avg Joes bought 5 cases each hoping to Flip asap ( that didn't work out so well by the way )....so....I don't know, just thinking out loud here, so no hat'n please lol, just think U.D would ship at least 500-2,000 cases to each major market in N.A.....anyway I am to lazy to do all this hypothetical math ;P...my guess would be in the 1/2 to 1 million YG's...Minimum, 100,000, but just my guess...tried google, no luck....I assume this info is Top Secret!

One thing- Your math is off. 10 cases would = 120 boxes not 1,000 boxes. This would probally knock you number down quite a bit

[mooneyes]

When you think of the sale value on a YG versus an Artifacts /999 or /699 we all start to look stupid.

plus 1 on that, and have collected accordingly,...and Yet, here I am this year totally sucked in by getting so many Trouba and Nichushkin YG's I could wall paper a small wall...:/. I can only guess somehow the YG has become a cultural thing in the hobby, especially for the average Not hardcore collector/hockey fan who can say I have a Crosby, Ovy, or Mackinnon ROOKIE card and they are perfectly fine with that each year. As for me, somebody slap me!! ;P

[route42nj]

I'm guessing the print runs of each of today's Young Guns is equal to this 90-91 example. Can't for the life of me guess why this card isn't valued higher when compared to today's YG's with similar print runs.

This card has more cool factor though when you count that jersey

bureYG1.jpg

[30ranfordfan]

Sure... loads of boxes without a YG /100 or /10 - but that isn't what I said. You get one parallel /100 or /10 per box, normally. That's how I'm making my guess. Maybe that card /100 is Sami Salo, maybe it's a hot rookie. Point is, you'll get one of them!

Logical reasoning Ranford, save for one thing, I have opened and seen tons of boxes opened with ZERO YG/100 let alone a /10....

Say for example there is only 27-30,000 boxes...That might be enough to supply Ontario and Quebec perhaps?
Would it be too far out for a dealer to buy 10 cases, which would be 1,000 boxes right there....just in my Very small circle of people I know in Winnipeg, a few avg Joes bought 5 cases each hoping to Flip asap ( that didn't work out so well by the way )....so....I don't know, just thinking out loud here, so no hat'n please lol, just think U.D would ship at least 500-2,000 cases to each major market in N.A.....anyway I am to lazy to do all this hypothetical math ;P...my guess would be in the 1/2 to 1 million YG's...Minimum, 100,000, but just my guess...tried google, no luck....I assume this info is Top Secret!

[roverpak]

i'd guess there are about 3600 of each YG out of hobby boxes. i get this number from 1 HG per case or 12 boxes. 250x10 HG cards = 2500 total HG cards. 2500 HG cards x 12 = 30000 total hobby boxes. 30000 boxes x 6 (YG/box) / 50 different YG cards = 3600 of each YG card in hobby boxes. probably about as many in retail so maybe about 7200 total YGs per player?

[Wickabee]

plus 1 on that, and have collected accordingly,...and Yet, here I am this year totally sucked in by getting so many Trouba and Nichushkin YG's I could wall paper a small wall...:/. I can only guess somehow the YG has become a cultural thing in the hobby, especially for the average Not hardcore collector/hockey fan who can say I have a Crosby, Ovy, or Mackinnon ROOKIE card and they are perfectly fine with that each year. As for me, somebody slap me!! ;P

The Young Guns have a lot going for them in the hobby sense, which drives up the sale value. For starters, Series 1/2 is placed at that perfect middle line price point and manufacturer stats (GU, patches, AU, etc) to attract both low and high end collectors. A huge MacKinnon fan with less money fan who wants some rookie cards is likely to hit the YGs as his top end while the wealthy MacKinnon fan will bottom out on the YG. A Cup ARP is really, really cool, but a YG is still "respectable" without breaking the bank.
Then you have the fact that UD did an amazing job of making the Young Guns THE standard rookie card. Since 90-91 collectors expect, anticipate and salivate for the Young Guns because they've been around while so many other terms "Hot Rookies" "Breakout Stars" what have you, not to mention entire companies have come and gone under the eye of the Young Gun.
In short, there's an aspect there for everyone, the way some really high end collectors still look for new OPC RCs. When I was a kid, a Young Guns card was all there was. You wanted that. Now my generation is in around 30 years old and hitting a nostalgic point, along with the money to spend on it. Series 1/2 and the Young Guns will always have a slight premium just because of that.

As a player collector though, I'm right there with you. I want the YG before the Artifacts RC. That's the first hole that NEEDS to be filled (whether I fill it first or not). Something about it, maybe everything I mentioned above, just makes it that much more valuable despite the numbers. In 30 year, though, expect the Artifacts RCs of those players who managed to hold value to be worth more than the YGs just on numbers.

[centrehice]

00-01 Some Players had 2 Young Guns, Hobby and Retail both identically priced.

[subban7677]

I'm guessing the print runs of each of today's Young Guns is equal to this 90-91 example. Can't for the life of me guess why this card isn't valued higher when compared to today's YG's with similar print runs.

This card has more cool factor though when you count that jersey

bureYG1.jpg

Oh no, not even close. The print run today is only a fraction of what they were back in 90/91. If there's 10,000 copies today there may have been, what, 500,000 copies in 1990?