Trump?

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I said I was going to be done with this thread, but that was before you unleashed an absolutely ridiculous strawman in your last comment.

Now stay on-topic. This isn't about Hillary. She lost. Stop using her as a crutch.

I'm more concerned by the fact that you and so many others have your heads buried so deep in the sand as to believe that Trump isn't just another one of the "elite," or "globalists," or whatever new woo-woo fearmongering buzzword you want to pull out next. Maybe Illuminati? I haven't heard that one in a while, can you drop that on us? Please?

And again, you're dodging the total hypocrisy of your fellow Trump supporters being okay with CIA drone strikes when those same people were freaking out over it from Obama's Pentagon.

Funny how Clinton gets labeled as a war-mongerer when the Obama administration was constantly labeled as being soft. She was a key part of it. Either she's part of that soft group or she's a war-mongerer. Which one is it? You can't have both ways.

Again, your cognitive dissonance is showing quite clearly. But I expect nothing less from an obvious right-winger who claims not to be.

[pwaldo]

"Honestly I'd probably trust most of them with the launch codes much more so than I'd trust Hillary Clinton"
I like facts, historical evidence, different point of views, debates, but opinions like that H.Clinton one, that's where this thread lost me. As ugly it can be sometimes, you can't make America great again, it never lost it's greatness. God bless!

It isn't like Hillary Clinton is good at keeping classified information safe. I mean she just had a year plus scandal because she kept sensitive information on an unsecured server, lost classified emails, claimed to not know that the large C on documents and emails was for classified, had her house keeper print out top secret documents on her printer because Hillary still doesn't know how to use one, and she gave away the nuclear response time in one of the debates. So odds are the person from the bar would be safer with the codes than Hillary.

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Is Hillary president?

Then bringing her up is moot.

[Jameis1of1]

My replies in situ as usual:

I said I was going to be done with this thread, but that was before you unleashed an absolutely ridiculous strawman in your last comment.

So ... you say you're done with this thread because I said something you thought was ridiculous ... but now you're back in the thread because I said something else you consider ridiculous? Hmm, only one word for that kind of flip-flopping ... ridiculous

Now stay on-topic. This isn't about Hillary. She lost. Stop using her as a crutch.

There is no set "topic" ... this isn't a formal debate ... it's a political thread on a sports forum ... calm down

I'm more concerned by the fact that you and so many others have your heads buried so deep in the sand as to believe that Trump isn't just another one of the "elite," or "globalists," or whatever new woo-woo fearmongering buzzword you want to pull out next. Maybe Illuminati? I haven't heard that one in a while, can you drop that on us? Please?

Hahaha, you are a strange bird, eh? Globalism is a well understood concept and "Globalists" are well defined as well and have nothing to do with some conceptualization of evil called the "Illuminati". If you don't understand what Globalism is or what a Globalist is, do a little research ... if when you finish you still think that Trump is a Globalist akin to Obama, Clinton or someone like George Soros, I don't know what to say ... a wise man once told me never to argue with stupid so I suppose I'll just let you go on your ignorant merry way as many who are ignorant find such ignorance to be blissful

And again, you're dodging the total hypocrisy of your fellow Trump supporters being okay with CIA drone strikes when those same people were freaking out over it from Obama's Pentagon.

My fellow Trump supporters? Dodging? Sir, I didn't even vote for Trump. I don't vote at all ... ever. Had Hillary or Bernie or anyone else won, I would have prayed for that person, hoped that person would be successful and judged that person based on their actions. Again, you really need to calm down

Funny how Clinton gets labeled as a war-mongerer when the Obama administration was constantly labeled as being soft. She was a key part of it. Either she's part of that soft group or she's a war-mongerer. Which one is it? You can't have both ways.

Soft? Are you kidding me? Obama started and continued a multitude of conflicts! Obama was an absolute war-monger!

Again, your cognitive dissonance is showing quite clearly. But I expect nothing less from an obvious right-winger who claims not to be.

Are you really that arrogant to believe that you know me when you clearly do not? I've never met a "right-winger" who refuses to vote like me. How am I a "right-winger"? Please explain as you are obviously omniscient. Please also give me some examples of my cognitive dissonance as I do not know of even one example that would apply to my beliefs or actions in any way whatsoever. I'm waiting oh omniscient one

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So now do you see how ridiculous your "leftist" label is for anyone who doesn't agree with you?

Support isn't always about voting for the person. I know plenty of people who said they would never vote for Trump who are still supporting him. You appear to be one.

Dictionary definition of globalism: the process of international integration arising from the interchange of world views, products, ideas, and other aspects of culture.

You talk like these are bad things. Unless you have some backward idea of what it is (and most on the far right and far left do-- similar to their skewed, differing, and both downright incorrect definitions of socialism) we've been a globalist society since our country's founding-- the idea of the "Great American Melting Pot" and such. We're a country full of outsiders aside from the American Indians, and there's been enough done to try to hold them down. American culture has always received influence from all over the world, and we have great influence on other countries' cultures. And that co-influence isn't going away anytime soon. If anything it's just going to continue on a greater scale. You'd best learn to adapt as you get dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.

As for Trump and globalism, clearly, yes, he is just as much a globalist as anyone. How many products is he involved with that are made in China? Why would he and his cabinet members be so ensconced with Russia if they aren't globalist to a significant degree? The idea of "Be American: Buy American" is dead, and rightly so.

[Jameis1of1]

I see you're yet another "hit and run" expert, one who ignores all the points made that prove you wrong and one who refuses to answer all the questions you know you can't answer, all while slinging new nonsense to keep yourself entertained ... I don't respect such transparent hypocrisy ... but ... my replies in situ below as usual:

So now do you see how ridiculous your "leftist" label is for anyone who doesn't agree with you?

I said you sounded like a leftist ... and you did and do ... I stand by my statement.

Support isn't always about voting for the person. I know plenty of people who said they would never vote for Trump who are still supporting him. You appear to be one.

Of course I am, but I would also have supported Bernie or Hillary. I take the Scriptures literally and believe all rulers should be prayed for and such a belief and practice is certainly not synonymous with terms like "right-winger" or "leftist" ... you can't pigeonhole someone like me ... I'm far too rare a breed

Dictionary definition of globalism: the process of international integration arising from the interchange of world views, products, ideas, and other aspects of culture.

You talk like these are bad things. Unless you have some backward idea of what it is (and most on the far right and far left do-- similar to their skewed, differing, and both downright incorrect definitions of socialism)

I personally am a big fan of socialism and consider Jesus Christ's teachings to be far more in line with socialism than capitalism. I also choose to live in Canada which is proudly socialist and I love it and consider it a far better place to live than America. However, as I've said before, the USA is not Canada, just as Canada is not Iran, and no country should be forced or coerced into becoming like another country. The USA is proudly capitalist and the new Populist President was elected based on a distinctly nationalist campaign, and as such, I find it disgusting the Globalists and main stream media are trying to force globalism down the throats of the American populace.

AS for whether globalism is "good or bad" ... that all depends. It certainly has not worked in Sweden, France or Germany, at least not from a safety and security perspective ... and many countries are absolutely opposed to it, yet no one complains abut these countries. For example Japan is considered by many to be the the safest country in the world and they have banned Muslim immigration for quite some time ... and no one cares. Various Muslim countries have banned Christian immigration and arrested Christians inside their countries and very few care ... every country has a right to be antonymous and to do things their own way and if Trump and his electorates way is one of absolute nationalism, they should be allowed to be nationalist.

we've been a globalist society since our country's founding-- the idea of the "Great American Melting Pot" and such.

Not exactly. Jews were turned away at one point, Japanese were thrown in camps and various immigration bans and "pauses" have been in place throughout US history from time to time. The issue isn't whether America should accept immigrants, it's whether they should be forced to accept immigrants they have not properly vetted and are not comfortable with accepting simply due to the outside influence of Globalists and the main stream media. Is there an outcry that Saudi Arabia doesn't accept Iranian Christians or that Japan doesn't accept Muslims or that Russia doesn't accept those they fear are anti-Russian, etc? No. Yet there is mass hysteria and a rabid outcry that Trump won't simply accept individuals he is concerned about being security risks ... it's all quite absurd.

Leftist Americans rant and rave and hold up Canada as an example of a Globalist utopia and they simply have no idea what they're talking about as Canada is much harder to immigrate to than America is ... and always has been as it has a merit-based immigration system ... Australia and New Zealand are the same.

We're a country full of outsiders aside from the American Indians, and there's been enough done to try to hold them down.

I agree with you on the above statement.

American culture has always received influence from all over the world, and we have great influence on other countries' cultures. And that co-influence isn't going away anytime soon. If anything it's just going to continue on a greater scale. You'd best learn to adapt as you get dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.

I personally have no problem with Globalism and of course choose to live in Canada for more of the year than the USA even though I am a dual-citizen and if I didn't like a particular country I would just move to one I did like, so there is no "kicking and screaming" from me. However, such does not mean that I believe countries should be forced to co-operate with outside Globalist influences.

Now, the Scriptures are clear in regards to the future of the world, so your above statement will certainly end up being proven true one day in the future ... however that day may not come until long after your lifetime has finished ... populism is sweeping the earth. Brexit was first, Trump was second and now similar movements are springing up all over. People want safety and prosperity and are sick of being controlled by the Globalist elite

As for Trump and globalism, clearly, yes, he is just as much a globalist as anyone.

This ridiculous statement shows your clear ignorance on the subject as well as your utter hypocrisy ... talk about cognitive dissonance ... on one hand you want to rail against Trump's obvious nationalism and his desire to protect America's borders and turn back the clock on it's globalist integration and on the other hand you want to make the ridiculous statement that he is as much a Globalist as Obama and Clinton ... sorry but that sort of two-faced and childish debating doesn't work with someone like me.

How many products is he involved with that are made in China?

Being a businessman and a POTUS are two different things. He certainly "personally" wants to make money off other countries and he wants America to make money off other countries ... he just doesn't want America to lose money to other countries ... that isn't what we're talking about when we talk about "Globalism".

Why would he and his cabinet members be so ensconced with Russia if they aren't globalist to a significant degree?

Really? Have you actually looked into the issue at all or do you just believe whatever the main stream media feeds you like a good little prole?

The idea of "Be American: Buy American" is dead, and rightly so.

No it's not and Trump being President is proof of that. Brexit is proof that such a nationalistic concept isn't dead in England either ... and similar movements are popping up all over the world, including in France and Germany ... the future battle between Globalist and various nationalist movements around the earth will be a fascinating one no matter which side one finds him or herself on

Listen, you're clearly punching above your weight class in trying to debate me, and while I don't mind continuing to debate with you, please understand that each time I reply to you, your hypocrisy and utter silliness is exposed further ...

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good little prole

Go back to 4chan.

[Jameis1of1]

Go back to 4chan.

What is "4chan"? "Prole" is from the book 1984 by Orwell which is one of my favorite books of all-time.

Anyways ... you may want to debate with more ignorant folks or simply talk about issues with those you agree with and therefore remain inside your own echo-chamber, as again, your punching out of your weight class in trying to debate with me, and I believe you know that.

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Nah, I just don't bother with Limbaugh wannabes.

[Jameis1of1]

Nah, I just don't bother with Limbaugh wannabes.

Limbaugh? Is he even a Christian? Even if he claims to be, he sure wouldn't refuse to vote on Biblical grounds like I do, so that is a lazy comparison ... be more original


You've got nothing on me in this debate and anyone reading this thread can see that ... and we both know it ... regardless I wish you all the best ... enjoy your bliss