How do you define a 1/1?

[creasecollector]

I think it depends on the collector honestly. Some collectors don't consider show stamps or even played "true" 1/1's, while others do.

And Final Vault makes things interesting with the multiple stamp colours.


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[30ranfordfan]

If it says "1/1" on the card, then it's a "1/1" (unless you can find a copy of the card IDENTICAL to it).

It's really, really, really, simple.

The 'S' from a SPARTY07 nametplate: How are cards printed? If they're numbered /8, then it's not a 1/1. If they make 8 cards and number them all 1/1, then they're 1/1s.

Yes but with the Vault and the color code on them ....witch one is a real 1/1

They're all 1/1s

For example the red card has "at least one card in product". There could be more. Since it doesn't definitely say 1/1, my answer to you is that neither of the cards you listed is a 1/1

I guess you're not familiar with the product? They all say 1/1


ITG had a bunch of cards identical to ones they packed out, and wanted to release them in a product dump without affecting the original print runs. Adding a little bit of extra foil to the cards, like they would a show stamp, was how that was done.

If you have a copy of the card with a Red 1/1 Stamp on it, it is the only copy of that card with a Red Vault 1/1 stamp. Maybe there are 9 other copies with different colored vault stamps, but it's the only one Red. That's what makes it a 1/1.

Is that a 1/1 ?? Yes. Should you care about it's 1/1 designation and pay a premium for it? That's up to you.

[Leafsman]

If it says "1/1" on the card, then it's a "1/1" (unless you can find a copy of the card IDENTICAL to it).

It's really, really, really, simple.

The 'S' from a SPARTY07 nametplate: How are cards printed? If they're numbered /8, then it's not a 1/1. If they make 8 cards and number them all 1/1, then they're 1/1s.



They're all 1/1s



I guess you're not familiar with the product? They all say 1/1


ITG had a bunch of cards identical to ones they packed out, and wanted to release them in a product dump without affecting the original print runs. Adding a little bit of extra foil to the cards, like they would a show stamp, was how that was done.

If you have a copy of the card with a Red 1/1 Stamp on it, it is the only copy of that card with a Red Vault 1/1 stamp. Maybe there are 9 other copies with different colored vault stamps, but it's the only one Red. That's what makes it a 1/1.

Is that a 1/1 ?? Yes. Should you care about it's 1/1 designation and pay a premium for it? That's up to you.

I realized that my previous post and your response was centered around ITG. I consider ITG products to be "legally illegal" - that is to say, they don't have an NHL license but they continue to produce cards featuring active and retired players (I guess they are using leftover material). They should not be allowed to do that without a license, yet they do so anyway.

It is the reason why I will not accept ITG cards. Not even sure why they are in business anymore.

[apod417]

I know some will take the short answer of only those cards that are 1/1. But, does that include printing plates that say 1/1, but there are 4 versions of them?

My personal definition includes plates, but also mega patches and name plates.

What's your take?

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I agree with plates being 1/1 and name plates if they say 1/1 or if they are for example a Hull name plate /4 (meaning each letter is a 1/1), but I don't consider mega patches to be 1/1 unless they are listed 1/1. I know its contradictory to what I said about the name plates.

I hate ITG Vaults definition of 1/1. I don't' like show/expo 1/1's either ITG comes to mind here too.

For example I collect Mike Glumac ITG Making the Bigs, I have 3 1/1 vault cards and 20+ cards from boxes. The cards say 1/70 on the back same with the vault cards though they say 1/1 on the front. Not that I could ever get all 70 but are the vault cards buy backs and apart of the original /70 or were they replacements on ITG shelves ( as its come to light there has been) and now there may be 73+ out of the original /70 and of course ITG has not checklist for vault lol.

[odjickfan]

Leaf has overdone 1/1s and low-numbered parallels in the past few years. Just look at the Dirty Dozen in ITGU. /5 /3 /2 /1 and the only difference is the color around the swatches, A /10 and maybe a 1/1 would have been enough.

Special 1/1s that are not a parallel of anything have more appeal in my opinion. Mega patches or Property Of, shields, that kind of stuff!

[30ranfordfan]

I realized that my previous post and your response was centered around ITG. I consider ITG products to be "legally illegal" - that is to say, they don't have an NHL license but they continue to produce cards featuring active and retired players (I guess they are using leftover material). They should not be allowed to do that without a license, yet they do so anyway.

It is the reason why I will not accept ITG cards. Not even sure why they are in business anymore.

Not trying to hijack this thread and turn it into an ITG discussion.... but I feel the need to to correct the false assumptions:

ITG is not in business anymore. They have not been for years, since they sold the company to Leaf.

While some of that GU material would have been leftover from when they had a license, much of it was not. ITG (and now Leaf) continued to acquire GU material to make hockey cards.

Why would they do that, despite not having a license? I would assume it's because they're making money on it.

I agree with plates being 1/1 and name plates if they say 1/1 or if they are for example a Hull name plate /4 (meaning each letter is a 1/1), but I don't consider mega patches to be 1/1 unless they are listed 1/1. I know its contradictory to what I said about the name plates.

I hate ITG Vaults definition of 1/1. I don't' like show/expo 1/1's either ITG comes to mind here too.

For example I collect Mike Glumac ITG Making the Bigs, I have 3 1/1 vault cards and 20+ cards from boxes. The cards say 1/70 on the back same with the vault cards though they say 1/1 on the front. Not that I could ever get all 70 but are the vault cards buy backs and apart of the original /70 or were they replacements on ITG shelves ( as its come to light there has been) and now there may be 73+ out of the original /70 and of course ITG has not checklist for vault lol.

A lot of people don't like them (Vault, Show Stamps, etc). I totally get why they don't. The 1/1 stamp, and that little thingy that makes them unique, does make them 1/1s though.

To talk about Vault, again, and what exactly these cards were.....

You card was /70. ITG ran off (something like) 90 copies of it off. They used up 10 of those copies by adding a bunch of show stamps to them the year they came out. The other 10 sat in a warehouse for a few years..... and they added Vault stamps before inserting them into Final Vault.

There are still only 70 copies that went into packs, could be used to complete "true" (unstamped) sets, only 70 copies that look how the card was originally intended. Does that make the stamped versions worth more or less? Maybe the originals less desirable? Those are answers that collectors need to answer for themselves, because there is no definitive answer.

Leaf has overdone 1/1s and low-numbered parallels in the past few years. Just look at the Dirty Dozen in ITGU. /5 /3 /2 /1 and the only difference is the color around the swatches, A /10 and maybe a 1/1 would have been enough.

Special 1/1s that are not a parallel of anything have more appeal in my opinion. Mega patches or Property Of, shields, that kind of stuff!

I agree here. I think Leaf's strategy is to create more low numbered cards, to create more "value" in the packs. I'm not a big fan of it.... and it's resulted in me chasing less of their cards than I might have.

And agree 100% on the 1/1 comment. "True" 1/1s - Cards that are unique, one-of-a-kinds, that are not a parallel of anything else - those are the ones with the big premiums, and much more special.

Doesn't make the other ones "not a 1/1" but they are the big ones!

[Jameis1of1]

I am a 1/1 elitist as I ONLY collect true 1/1 cards that are also rookie cards and are also autographed ... and I do NOT collect printing plates, even if they are rookie year and autographed printing plates.

HOWEVER, I would never and I don't know anyone who would say that printing plates aren't true 1/1s as they certainly are.

Any card that is labeled a 1/1 or "one of one" is indeed a one of one, period.

So, personally, I don't know anyone who literally doesn't consider printing plates 1/1s, but I do know there are many who refuse to collect them, as they are elitists like myself, hahaha.

All of the above said, anyone lucky enough to pull a printing plate out of a pack or even win one in an auction should be thrilled as they are awesome cards!

[roy.the.greatest]

1/1 : only 1 released in the hobby.

The first 1/1 made in the hobby are the 1997-98 Pinnacle Press Plates 1/1. Big names still have good values. Honestly, the hockey card world is mainly focus on rookie cards these days, mostly graded rookie cards, all the rest like parallel cards and inserts don't really get interest these days.


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[creasecollector]

1/1 : only 1 released in the hobby.

The first 1/1 made in the hobby are the 1997-98 Pinnacle Press Plates 1/1. Big names still have good values. Honestly, the hockey card world is mainly focus on rookie cards these days, mostly graded rookie cards, all the rest like parallel cards and inserts don't really get interest these days.


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Very cool. Nice Roy! Always like seeing these older plates pop up.