Grading Question.....

[DMCNABB1999]

hey guys, what exactly is re-grade? i have a 1999 spx richard hamilton auto rc/2500 graded a gem mint 10 by PREMIUM grading, but i was mis-lead on an ebay auction (had no clue when i won the auction that it was graded, the seller was very misleading and i can see why, who has heard of PREMIUM grading?), anyways the card is extremely nice and i want to send into a reputable company like BGS.

does BGS re-grade cards?

if so do they have it on their submission form because i can't see to find anything on re-grading on the submission form

any info is appreciated, thanks.

[DMCNABB1999]

anyone? could really use some info, thanks.

[pgrossma]

I'm not up on specific policies for BGS, but it is not unheard of in the world of graded cards as a whole to regrade cards. I believe PSA, for example, will regrade cards.

One obvious problem with regrading cards while they're in a holder is the inherent prejudice of being able to see a grade already assigned to the card. If you see a card in a 9 holder it looks like a 9.

For this reason, most folks I've encountered that regrade choose to crack open the holder and submit the card as if it hasn't been submitted before. There is an obvious danger in doing this as the holders are intended to be tamper-proof and are thus difficult to break open without damaging the card inside.

Another risk of regrading is that you'll get the same grade or (in rare cases) a lower grade, and thus not get anything useful out of your resubmission. It is important before resubmitting to really scrutinize the card and come up with a concrete reason why you believe the card deserves a higher grade. Most cards that are resubmitted do in fact receive the same grade they did the first time because professional graders, while not infallible, are in fact pretty good at their job.

To summarize: regrading is typically done by cracking cards and submitting raw, making regrading policies irrelavant; regrading is risky business and should probably only be attempted if it's obvious that the grader goofed.

Peter G.

[DMCNABB1999]

hey, thanks for the info, yea i think i'm gotta go PSA because i can't find anything on the BGS site that says they regrade cards, even though they are my favorite service, i also am gonna do what you said, leave it in the holder because it was graded a 10 and i still can't find anything wrong with it, and i don't wanna risk the chance of damaging the card, thanks for the info and i'll post here and will let you guys know what happens.

I'm not up on specific policies for BGS, but it is not unheard of in the world of graded cards as a whole to regrade cards. I believe PSA, for example, will regrade cards.

One obvious problem with regrading cards while they're in a holder is the inherent prejudice of being able to see a grade already assigned to the card. If you see a card in a 9 holder it looks like a 9.

For this reason, most folks I've encountered that regrade choose to crack open the holder and submit the card as if it hasn't been submitted before. There is an obvious danger in doing this as the holders are intended to be tamper-proof and are thus difficult to break open without damaging the card inside.

Another risk of regrading is that you'll get the same grade or (in rare cases) a lower grade, and thus not get anything useful out of your resubmission. It is important before resubmitting to really scrutinize the card and come up with a concrete reason why you believe the card deserves a higher grade. Most cards that are resubmitted do in fact receive the same grade they did the first time because professional graders, while not infallible, are in fact pretty good at their job.

To summarize: regrading is typically done by cracking cards and submitting raw, making regrading policies irrelavant; regrading is risky business and should probably only be attempted if it's obvious that the grader goofed.

Peter G.

[pgrossma]

Apologies, I missed the specific details in your post the first time I read it.

I thought you were asking about resubmitting to the same company, which is of course trickier business.

Once again, I don't know about BGS policy, but for grading/slabbing cards graded by other companies PSA has a specific policy and calls this process "crossing over" a card.

My understanding is that it is common to lose one grade when crossing lesser companies' grades to PSA. The fact that your card is newer and less likely to have micro-defects than, say, a late '80s card, may help you avoid that. Nevertheless, I would scrutinize it pretty carefully, particularly on the corners, before submitting just to decide for myself whether I thought I would get a 9 back. Then again, it can be argued that a PSA 9 card is more marketable than a 10 from a minor grading company, so maybe that's not a big deal. Crossing a PREMIUM 10 to a PSA 10 would be a clear-cut win.

Peter G.

[DMCNABB1999]

hey, those were my thoughts exactly, even if it got back a psa 9, it probably would be a more marketable card than a premium 10, and a psa 10 would be an outstanding win, i'm gonna look over the corners better tomorrow, thanks again for the info.

Apologies, I missed the specific details in your post the first time I read it.

I thought you were asking about resubmitting to the same company, which is of course trickier business.

Once again, I don't know about BGS policy, but for grading/slabbing cards graded by other companies PSA has a specific policy and calls this process "crossing over" a card.

My understanding is that it is common to lose one grade when crossing lesser companies' grades to PSA. The fact that your card is newer and less likely to have micro-defects than, say, a late '80s card, may help you avoid that. Nevertheless, I would scrutinize it pretty carefully, particularly on the corners, before submitting just to decide for myself whether I thought I would get a 9 back. Then again, it can be argued that a PSA 9 card is more marketable than a 10 from a minor grading company, so maybe that's not a big deal. Crossing a PREMIUM 10 to a PSA 10 would be a clear-cut win.

Peter G.

[meuandthelot]

Measure the card.
The biggest "Overlook" with other companies is Trimming, believe you me there are some very good micro-trimmers out there and they are being used in our hobby :(

Also, when looking use a 10x loupe, and a couple different light sources, like natural sunlight then say 100watt bulb.

Good luck!