Laine & Roslovic for P.L. Dubois? Is this for real?

[opulent jupiter]

I totally agree with 30Ranfordfan.

Laine is a one trick player. He can shoot - Man can he shoot!!! But you have to get him the puck. He does't really have great puck control and his skating is meh. Watching him over the few years he's been in the league he is steaky and "disappears" at time. Several times he's had to come out and publicly apologize for his poor play and attitude.

Dubois is definitely bringing more to the table. Big, has great hands, can shoot, and seems like he has a great attitude.

Roslovic is really a non factor in my opinion. He didn't get a lot of play time in Winnipeg and the times he did he was average. Maybe he will thrive at home.

I am really most interested to see how the relationship between Torts and Laine develops.

All in all - I was glad to see Laine leave and I am super stoked to see PLD on the roster!

[30ranfordfan]

I totally agree with 30Ranfordfan.

Laine is a one trick player. He can shoot - Man can he shoot!!! But you have to get him the puck. He does't really have great puck control and his skating is meh. Watching him over the few years he's been in the league he is steaky and "disappears" at time. Several times he's had to come out and publicly apologize for his poor play and attitude.

Dubois is definitely bringing more to the table. Big, has great hands, can shoot, and seems like he has a great attitude.

Roslovic is really a non factor in my opinion. He didn't get a lot of play time in Winnipeg and the times he did he was average. Maybe he will thrive at home.

I am really most interested to see how the relationship between Torts and Laine develops.

All in all - I was glad to see Laine leave and I am super stoked to see PLD on the roster!

I think draft pedigree plays into this too. Everyone remembers Laine was a #2 pick, and that was behind Matthews. So much of the hockey media is Canadian based. Doesn't matter if you live in Vancouver, Montreal, Winnipeg, or Toronto - If you're a hockey fan, and watch highlights on a regular basis... you know that Laine is a scorer, and you know that he was a #2 pick.

That Dubios was the #3 pick in the same draft is EASY to forget, again, because nobody cares about Columbus.

You're bang on about Roslovic. He appears to be a useful player, but he's a dime-a-dozen type. If he's the sweetener needed to swap Laine for Dubois, I think WPG did really well here.

The Torts thing is a really good question too..... I'm guessing Laine hates it in Columbus, but he'll suck it up and play. They'll have to qualify after this season, and if he doesn't like Tortarella (and who could blame him?) he'll probably just take the qualifying offer - which will really force their hands next season.

[piper1]

When we come back to this one in 2 years, it's going to be clear that the Jets won the deal.

You know why this was a 2-for-1 ?? Because PLD was the best player in the trade, and teams who get the best player in a trade almost always win it.

Laine is a really good talent. Don't get me wrong. I'll be surprised if he ever hits 40 goals again.... and he doesn't do much without the puck. Dubois will probably never out-goal Laine, but he'll out-perform him in every other category. Unlike Stastney, this actually gives the Jets two very good pieces at C.

The wild card in this trade is attitude, of course. I don't think it would surprised anyone if either of these guys become unhappy with their situations again, and want to be traded again. If that were to happen... and the return gets worse... then what might have started out as a "win" in the deal, could turn into a loss.

There's a ton of people blasting the Jets, and how they got ripped off here.... but I suspect most of that is due to coverage. Laine scored 44 goals 3 seasons ago. He followed that up with 30, and 28 (and the 28 probably turns into a few more if the whole season was played last year, but he's still be below 35).

Everyone remembers how great he was in 2017-18 - but we ignore how pedestrian he's been since. If Laine was truly a superstar.... if he was a young version of Ovechkin or Brett Hull... I'd be right at the top of the list for people saying "to hell with the rest of the game, this guy can snipe!" - but he's not.

Dubois, nobody realizes how good this kid is, because he plays in Columbus... and the only time we watch the Blue Jackets is when we have to. He'd not going to be a superstar either, but he's got high end potential.... think Sean Couturier, Patrice Bergeron, Ryan O'Reilly. That type of player.

Jets didn't get taken at all here. They traded for a player that will very likely end up as the best player on their team, in very short order..... and they traded away a guy who peaked as a 20 year old.... and tossed in a useful bottom 6 forward.

Totally agree and Laine wasn't going to resign in Winnipeg anyway and now Winnipeg has the best group of centers in the NHL. Funny thing is both players still have coaches who will kick their lazy a$$e$.

[jameslacarte]

I also look at this trade & think who does Laine have in Columbus to pass him the puck? Laine is the better Goal scorer, for now, but Dubois is the better over all player, he plays both ends of the ice, PK, power play. I dont know when Laine's contract is up but i dont think he resigns with Columbus, i mean, who wants to play in Columbus!! Everyone they have ever had leaves & i think Torts is the biggest reason for that.
At first when i seen this trade i thought Winnipeg, what the heck are you doing but now that ive had some time to think about & analyze this deal maybe winnipeg did better than i thought but only time will tell

[30ranfordfan]

I also look at this trade & think who does Laine have in Columbus to pass him the puck? Laine is the better Goal scorer, for now, but Dubois is the better over all player, he plays both ends of the ice, PK, power play. I dont know when Laine's contract is up but i dont think he resigns with Columbus, i mean, who wants to play in Columbus!! Everyone they have ever had leaves & i think Torts is the biggest reason for that.
At first when i seen this trade i thought Winnipeg, what the heck are you doing but now that ive had some time to think about & analyze this deal maybe winnipeg did better than i thought but only time will tell

Laine's deal is up at the end of this season. Dubois has one more year left.... but for both of them, those deals expire in the same state:

Teams MUST make a qualifying offer to them, in order to retain their rights. They make enough money that I think the offer would just have to be 100% of the current salary..... so Columbus will have to offer Laine $7.5m to keep his rights.

He could reject it, and hold out. Demand a trade. Do anything he wants at that point. He wouldn't be in breach of anything - since he wouldn't have a contract.

He could take them to arbitration. They could take him to arbitration too. It's unlikely he'll do it, I think it's VERY unlikely they'll do it.

They control him for two more years. If he's happy making the same money... I could simply accept a QO in each of the next two off seasons, and then walk. Not sure how likely that really is though. Players usually do not take that approach to the system. They'd rather force their way out of town (like these two JUST did) and then get a longterm deal done.

Dubois is in exactly the same spot, he's just a year behind. He's playing season #4 right now, vs season #5 for Laine (and he makes a bit less).

[mooneyes]

It\s funny how everyone thinks Dubois is like the next Bergeron. Horrible at face-offs and doesn't even have as many assists as the "one trick pony" Laine has. He is a "big strong center" though...you mean like Adam Lowry?
I will give Dubois credit for one thing though, knowing how to get traded. Just quit and float around.
The real reason for this trade is starting to surface and it has nothing to do with on ice performance. It is about Blake Wheeler's fragile ego.

[jameslacarte]

i agree @mooneyes. Remember back a few years when Evander Kane got traded? That was also because of Wheeler. Kane even came out in the Media & talked about it & said he would like to fight Wheeler in a game. He seems to be one of those players who is a cancer in the dressing room though im not sure Kane was any better hence why they probably clashed.
Players should never be allowed to dictate who stays & who goes!! Thats the coaches & GM's Job.

[jameslacarte]

All good goal scorers are streaky, even the greatest ones!!

I totally agree with 30Ranfordfan.

Laine is a one trick player. He can shoot - Man can he shoot!!! But you have to get him the puck. He does't really have great puck control and his skating is meh. Watching him over the few years he's been in the league he is steaky and "disappears" at time. Several times he's had to come out and publicly apologize for his poor play and attitude.

Dubois is definitely bringing more to the table. Big, has great hands, can shoot, and seems like he has a great attitude.

Roslovic is really a non factor in my opinion. He didn't get a lot of play time in Winnipeg and the times he did he was average. Maybe he will thrive at home.

I am really most interested to see how the relationship between Torts and Laine develops.

All in all - I was glad to see Laine leave and I am super stoked to see PLD on the roster!

[mooneyes]

i agree @mooneyes. Remember back a few years when Evander Kane got traded? That was also because of Wheeler. Kane even came out in the Media & talked about it & said he would like to fight Wheeler in a game. He seems to be one of those players who is a cancer in the dressing room though im not sure Kane was any better hence why they probably clashed.
Players should never be allowed to dictate who stays & who goes!! Thats the coaches & GM's Job.

Yes.
Wheeler seems to be a bit of a "prickly" character. I love what he does on the ice but not so much as captain.

[opulent jupiter]

Some good points here.

I disagree with the Dubois - Lowry comparison. Lowry knows his roll as a third line centre and I think he's a pretty good at it. Had a pretty good night the other night.
Wheeler may or may not be a good captain but from I have seen he is pretty solid on the ice and more so a solid guy in the community. Unfortunately leaders sometimes have to tell those he is leading things they don't necessarily want to hear or do. We will probably never know what really went down with Laine and Wheeler and Dubois and Torts... What is done is dione.

But come on....Lol.. Evander Kane.
Let's look track his track record lol.
Pisses team mates of by missing practices (has his clothes in the shower lol) - has to apologize
Pisses off his fans by mocking them that he makes way more cash than them (posts pics of himself doing pushups with said cash on his back) Has to apologize publicly.
Finally gets traded
Not sure why he leaves Buffalo - Says he is "sorry I can't help them win"
Goes to San Jose and blows all his money he mocked his fans with. Casino are calling in his loan.

Yeah. real stand up guy.