INFO? PANINI HONORED CARD w/AARON RODGERS AUTOGRAPHED PLAYER WORN JERSEY SWATCH

[miamibeachcg]

I bought a bag full of Panini football cards + 7 sealed packs (2018 Football 8 cards per pack)- one of the cards I found is this Aaron Rodgers player worn jersey swatch that has his autograph or initials on the swatch. This is the first one I've seen with the autograph on the cloth & not just on the card.
It's obvious the card hasn't been tampered with - could Rodgers have signed the jersey before it was cut up for the cards?
Any help or information would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks

[doniceage]

Charles,
That is a awesome card but I want to ask one question.

It's obvious the card hasn't been tampered with - could Rodgers have signed the jersey before it was cut up for the cards?

How do you know it has not been tampered with? I seen other jerseys with part of a autograph, blood stains, and other cool embellishments so it is totally possible. Over the years I seen collectors fake items like this as well so was wondering how you are certain that it has never been tampered with?

Cool, item regardless.

DON

[FireRob]

I think you are on the right track.

I have this Singletary Majestic Icons card that has the start of his last name from his signature on the jersey swatch. Top card in the photo below



I have also seen all these jerseys for sale that come with a letter from and signed by Mike Singletary stating how the jersey was game used in a particular game and has been in his possession since retirement and the letter is authenticated by PSA. Of course I never could have afforded any of them but I am sure Panini could and very possibly use them to make new cards with “game worn” jersey swatches




It would take me forever to find my pictures but I also have several other Singletary cards where the card autograph is actually intentionally on the “manufactured” patch or jersey swatch. Also have one that the autograph is on an eye black strip. These manufacturers get very creative with their designs.

I am not familiar at all with Aaron Rogers auto so I don’t know weather that is his signature or initials but my guess is, it is part of a previously signed jersey Panini got its hands on and then cut it up to put in the cards. Either way cool card!


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[FireRob]

Just to add more to the above

This is the letter that came with one of the jerseys in my above post. All the others had one similar.

It was Beckett not PSA that authenticated it. For what it’s worth, their authentication is only for the autograph on the piece of paper not for the actual signatures and inscriptions on the jersey or that the jersey is real. I can only assume that the previous owner sent the paper in for auto authentication because it was a lot cheaper than sending the jersey.

While I could never afford one of those jerseys I was able to buy a pair of autographed socks supposedly worn in one of his Pro Bowls. It came with a letter just like this one

All that said, I could see how all of this could be forged. Have him sign a blank sheet of paper run it through a printer and make a counterfeit jersey. Boom you got several thousand dollars.




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[miamibeachcg]

Not tampered with because if someone had opened it to do something with jersey it would have damaged the sides of the card somehow - this card is perfect. (But I'm a picker not a card expert so I guess I could be wrong)

[miamibeachcg]

If you look at the close up (and I looked at it in person) it's a piece of cotton or such jersey with a sharpie signature - a print would feel & look a lot different wouldn't they?

[miamibeachcg]

I guess it would be worth it to send the card in to PSA or Beckett to get a COA, right? Not sure the cost but I will check.
Thanks for help/info!

[pwaldo]

This sometimes happens with game used cards. It is either they bought an autographed jersey of the player and just cut it up and that explains the ink on the jersey. Or an employee will mark the game used jersey as the player's name since they cut it up and can sometimes reach unrecognizable chunks level of fabric.

Don't know what Aaron's autograph looks like but if it anything like what is on the card I'm going to go with the first scenario above that I mentioned.

[FireRob]

I guess it would be worth it to send the card in to PSA or Beckett to get a COA, right? Not sure the cost but I will check.
Thanks for help/info!

Woah let’s talk about this part now.

I’d say it’s a waste of time and money to send it in to PSA or Beckett and here is why

What do you want the COA for? The autograph? I believe what you have is exactly what you said. A signed jersey that was cut up and put into cards. It’s not intended to be a “autographed” card. Again I don’t know what a Rogers auto looks like but you do not have a complete autograph.

Do you want to authenticate the card? Let’s say the card is legit which I have no reason to think other wise. You can send it in to be graded and therefore also prove the card is real. But honestly the card is in poor condition and will not grade very high. But it will prove the card is in fact real. But I don’t think we really need to worry about that part. I think the card is worth more in raw form then it will be with the low grade it will get.

What do you want to do with the card? Add it to your personal collection or sell it and make money? Either way my answer is the same. Leave the card as is. It’s a cool card if you wanted to keep and enjoy it. It’s a low serial numbered card and will fetch plenty of money from one of the many Rodgers collector’s that are out there in its present condition.

I think Dons question above about being legit was more about your adamancy about it being real and not tampered with and he actually wanted to know if you knew an exact reason why you knew it was real. Not that he questioned the legitimacy of the card. Faked cards are surprisingly legit looking. Many “experts” have been fooled including PSA and Beckett.


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[jplcom]

My two cents - check out these links (none of them mine) to see some autographed authentic jerseys from AR12:

https://www.supersportscenter.com/pr...anatics-coa-d8

https://www.fanaticsauthentic.com/aa...427-2727535156

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B2J6ST9

I'm referencing only signed jerseys because athletes will adjust their signature based on what they are signing. A cramped sticker looks a bit different than flowing over a full jersey number, going across a curved helmet, or signed on a curved and bumpy football. All recognizably the athletes signature, but different. I snipped out the relevant parts below:



Yellow - it's the start of the "A" in Aaron. It starts mid-letter, swoops up, all the way down to start the left leg of the "A". Next he picks up the pen and starts on the right leg of the "A" at the bottom and goes up to the point, down a bit to merge with the left leg, then swoops right at an angle to complete the "A". Sometimes the horizontal line in the "A" is flat, sometimes it goes up at an angle. Sometimes it doesn't touch the left leg of the "A".

On your card, I don't see evidence of a marker starting at the edge of the patch window to make the lines on it. If you tore up the card, I would bet you would see more of the patch and ink where you would expect it. If you thought it was added after the fact, you could look under a loupe you might be able to see some ink on the edges of the memorabilia window. Tthe lines look too confident to have been added after the fact to make me suspect forgery. In my opinion, Panini acquired a stitched Aaron Rodgers jersey then cut it up for memorabilia pieces. Maybe the jersey got stained, or damaged, who knows. I don't think it's wise to chop up a perfectly fine autographed jersey for cards but that's my opinion.

Having said all that, I would not consider this an autographed Aaron Rodgers card. Is it cooler than a plain white patch? Oh absolutely! But it's just part of the letter "A" in his signature. I couldn't even call this a cut autograph, there's just not enough of his signature there to call it signed. Again, much cooler than a single color patch and possibly even cooler than a 2-color patch, but not autographed.

This is all my opinion, I am not the arbiter of what makes/breaks what is classified as an autograph. I would say Panini dishonored the autograph by cutting it up.