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03-02-2005, 10:37 AM #11LT23Guest
Many people here have already said that borderline players (Dave Parker, Dale Murphy, etc.) shouldn't be in the hall of fame, but there are already several borderline players in the hall such as Gary Carter, Tony Perez, and Phil Rizzuto.
Also, someone mentioned that statistics shouldn't be the only reason a player is inducted and that they should have done something memorable, like Tony Gwynn and Wade Boggs hitting consistently. Personally, I don't ever remember either one of them doing anything very memorable, not on the same scale as Cal Ripken's streak or McGwire's home run record. I do agree they were both great players, and the only way you can actually show that they were consistently great hitters is through statistics such as batting average or on base percentage.
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03-02-2005, 11:02 AM #12
As a Red Sox fan, I would like to see Rice in the Hall. However, I am realistic about it. Rice's career flamed out too quickly. If he had not lost his bat speed after about 1987 and had continued playing for another 5 or 6 years, I think he definitely gets in the Hall. The way things transpired however, he probably will not get in. Let's not forget that he was the most feared power hitter in baseball from the late 1970's to the early 1980's. If he had continued in that, he would already be in and we would not be having this discussion.
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03-02-2005, 04:01 PM #13
first of all, just b/c you have borderline players into the Hall doesn't mean that you can now put in more players ---- this is not a good reason.
Second, if you do not recall the greatness that is Wade Boggs (superb hitter for a number of years, often batting 0.350 or higher, with multiple batting titles) or Tony Gwynn (the NL version of Boggs) --- then I am absolutely glad you are not a voter.
Both deserved to be in the Hall
As for Rice - he did not do enough.
Now, if Jim Rice took steroids like Barry Bonds, perhaps he might be able to put up worthy stats. But, alas, he did not "unknowingly" take steroids.
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03-02-2005, 04:26 PM #14
Jim Rice put up some remarkable numbers during a stretch of time where the balls were not flying out of the park like they are today. He is definitely borderline and if had maybe 2 or 3 more years like he did during the stretch of 1977-1979 he probably would get in with no problem. Unfortunately he didn't.
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03-02-2005, 06:10 PM #15
I agree that Rice was a great player with some really good stats but I think he just falls short. As for Boggs & Gwynn, Come on........They both have over 3,000 hits if nothing else. Are there any other players with over 3,000 hits besides Pete Rose not in the HOF ?
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03-02-2005, 06:20 PM #16
Originally Posted by Rick Polus
I feel that both Jim Rice and Dick Allen should be in the Hall. I don't think that just by accumulating statistics by playing for a long time(like Carlton Fisk) should necessarily make one eligible for the Hall of Fame. Look at Sandy Koufax-he retired at the age of 32 because of an arm injury but there was no doubt that this last 5 years were as good as anyone's in baseball history.
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08-03-2005, 05:30 PM #17
I think anyone who gets any of these should be in...
320 BA (min 10 years)
300 BA (min 15 years)
400 hrs (career)
350 Saves (career)
35 hrs per season or 162 games (min 10 years)
250 wins (career)
ERA under 3.50 (min 10 years)
7 GG's
an MVP (unless it was a fluke)
a CY Youngs (unless it was a fluke)
2 ERA Titles
2 WHIP Titles
2 Batting Titles
3 Home Run Titles
3 Saves Titles
2 Relief Pitcher of the year Awards
I would like to see more players in the HOF, but maybe thats just me...
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10-11-2005, 05:02 PM #18
I think PART of the reason hes not already in is because when he played, the media didn't like him. He wouldn't talk to them, wouldn't give them fodder. The best thing the hall of fame could ever do would be to take the vote away from the media and put it in the hands of the veterans' committee. Rice, I believe, would already be in if the vets committee voted on the hall of fame.
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