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08-22-2007, 07:14 PM #1
Rate My Team Please
8 man league. Was a live draft
QB Peyton Manning
WR Donte' Stallworth
WR Santana Moss
WR Reggie Wayne
RB Maurice Jones-Drew
RB Julius Jones
TE Benjamin Watson
W/T (WR) Antwaan Randle El
W/T (WR) Marty Booker
W/R (RB) Carnell Williams
W/R (RB) Warrick Dunn
BN (WR) Greg Jennings
BN (QB) Matt Schaub
BN (QB) Jeff Garcia
BN (RB) T.J. Duckett
BN (TE) Desmond Clark
K Jason Elam
BN (K) David Akers
DEF Philadelphia
DEF Jacksonville
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08-22-2007, 07:24 PM #2
not very good man.....i could argue that you dont have a top 15 rb, which isn't good in an 8 team league. very weak at that position. manning was a bad 1st round pick, just cant do that in such a shallow draft, and really not sure who your 2nd round pick was (dont see a top 16 on your squad other than manning)
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08-23-2007, 02:36 AM #3
i'll give your team a 5.3/10...u need a running game. U could have past on peyton and grab lt and a top 3 wr then could have probably grab a top 5 qb in the 3rd round.
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08-23-2007, 03:37 AM #4
LT was the first pick. I got Manning at 4
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08-23-2007, 09:42 AM #5
Peyton is a 1st round pick...he put up the 2nd highest points in all of FF last year, and third was about 50 points behind him. If you didn't pick him, someone else would have and that's a lot of points...26 points a week help a lot and very few players even get close to that...I'm ok with that. But I don't understand who your first RB was...I think you are a weak there. Jones-Drew is a good back, but I would want him as my #2 (or even #3 possibly). Julius Jones is gonna lose a lot of the TDs to Barber and your other 3 are weak...TJ Duckett sucks, believe me, I had him last year. WR is pretty good, although I'm not real big on a couple of them. TE is average....and for the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would have 2 Ks....
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08-23-2007, 01:35 PM #6
Originally Posted by OnePimpTiger
here is the explanation for all you peyton people. no reason peyton should be a first round pick (atleast not the 4th pick of a draft....10-12 is ok in deep leagues)
you got 32 starting QBs, and 32 starting RBs. now with todays NFL, you really have about 20-24 backs who arent sharing significant time. so using that logic, the quality of depth at RB is much less than that of the QBs. now take into consideration the fact that 90% of fantasy leagues start 2 RBs and only 1 QB. you now just cut that RB depth in half!! there is a reason that 20 RBs are taken in the first 2 rounds, and only 2 QBs (based on a 12 team league). which of these combinations would you rather have:
manning / portis / mcallister OR palmer /addai / maroney
thats a no brainer in fantasy terms guys!!
it is ALL about value and depth
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08-23-2007, 02:34 PM #7
I agree with your thoughts on value...in my draft, (granted it is a keeper league) I actually had Tom Brady, Calvin Johnson, and TJ Houshmandzadeh go 1, 2, 3...over Edge, T Jones, Peterson, Marshawn, Ced Benson, etc...that's crazy!
BUT, LT aside, Peyton put up 89 points more than any other player...any other QB and I would agree they shouldn't go in the 1st round (or even the 2nd!), but when one player can give you that many points...Value is a great idea to an extent. If McGahee falls to Rd 7, that's great value. But if he's your 3rd back is never played, what good does it do you? No points.
If you go RB RB in Rd 1 & 2 (at pick 4 and 10), you'll come up with around 250 pts on Rd 1 and 170 on Rd 2...in Rd 3 or below, the QB you get will give you 300 or below...720 points total (basing on last year of course)...plus the fact that in your example, you could end up with Addai or Maroney w/Peyton...or someone of equal caliber, but you're not going to get Addai & Maroney in most cases.
If you go Peyton Rd 1, that's 411...Rd 2 RB of 170 and Rd 3 RB of 160 (top 20 RBs got at least 160 last year and 10-20 were b/w 160 & 180...not much difference)...that's 741
I say if LT, LJ, and Jackson are gone, it's ok to go w/Peyton. That's my opinion and we've heard yours...but either way we agree this guy need help at RB....I think we've kinda gone past rating Tomlinson's team huh? :)...oh well
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08-23-2007, 04:33 PM #8
remember this is an 8 team league, much different than a 12 team league!!
you cant compare a regular draft to a keeper draft.
mannings points are all relative cause there is no "official" point system that all leagues go by. in my 8th year keeper last year, manning had 362.5 total points, brees had 302, bulger had 300, mcnabb had 235 in 1/2 a season!!
let me tell you some numbers from last year from my league:
(1) gore 272
(2) westbrook 257
(3) bulger 296
total points = 825
(1) manning 362
(2) rudi (who is a stretch in this spot!!) 215
(3) mcgahee 150
total points = 727
thats a 100 point difference!! rudi is a stretch at that spot, but even if you put in someone like willie parker not gonna make much of a difference.....and anyone you would replace with mcgahee in that spot (brown, portis, bush, mcallister, any jones, etc)
i will argue ALL DAY that manning doesn't deserve to be the 4th pick in ANY fantasy draft, and doesn't deserve to be a 1st rounder except late in the round for deep leagues (12 teams + or leagues starting 2 qbs).
this isn't just my opinion, this is how leagues are won!! it has been proven!! you have to get REALLY lucky to win with manning in the 1st round.
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08-23-2007, 07:08 PM #9
I wasn't comparing a regular draft to a keeper league, that's why I said "granted it is a keeper league", but the point I was making was valid either way...those picks I was referring to were bad whether it was regular or keeper draft.
And the fact that the league is 8 owners instead of 12 means he would have a better chance picking up good RBs in Rds 2 & 3...He had picks 12 in the 2nd and 20 in the 3rd instead of 16 in the 2nd and 28 in the 3rd...that helps him. Smaller leagues are more competitive because you're not drafting down into the average to bad players...everyone is getting relatively good players.
And as you said, there no "official" point system all leagues go by. In my 6th year keeper last year, he had 411. So it's possible that Tomlinson's league scores differently, which could make Peyton a better pick in his league than he would have been in yours. Then again, maybe not, but it is a possibility.
And yes, it is your opinion. I'm sure that somewhere, sometime, somehow, someone that has picked Peyton 4th has won a championship...and I'm willing to bet it's happened more than a few times. It might not work out the majority of the time, but your way isn't the only way, despite what you may think.
Now, I will let you argue ALL DAY....
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08-23-2007, 07:25 PM #10
Originally Posted by OnePimpTiger
as far as the 8 team vs 12 team, you are actually wrong with that, but not gonna spend hours explaining it.....it has more to do with the fact that there are twice as many RBs starting in fantasy football than QBs. you are still only starting 1/4 of the QBs in an 8 team league, and 1/2 of the RBs (and alot of leagues use flex positions, adding more RBs to the mix). again, the difference between manning and bulger isn't near as much as the difference between LJ / SJ and say mcgahee/brown/jones's/etc when it comes to fantasy value (dont construe value with points....totally different)
no need to argue anymore, you just made my point. it DOESN'T happen the majority of the time which makes it a bad decission. if taking a RB in that spot means you win the majority of the time (which is true) then i dont see the justification. just stating the facts man, played enough fantasy football to know that RBs win leagues, not QBs.
i always love how people (talking in general, not to pimp tiger who seems pretty fantasy knowledgeable asside from this particular topic) use the arguement that something is "someones opinion". yes, that is true, and everone is entitled to that.....but when someones "opinion" is based around a set of facts, then said opinion is also a fact.
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