Hanley Ramirez Bowman's Best Rookie Auto Ft Again!!!

[L.Washington#29]

Hey guys, the deal fell through last time so I am putting this one back up for trade:

Hanley Ramirez 2003 Bowman's Best Rookie Auto PSA 9

I would sell it for 75 paypal delivered(that is what the ungraded are going for delivered) or I would trade it for other top prospect autos. Thanks!!

[chipperhank44]

I'm interested in it I have a 2006 Bowman SOTF Alex Gordon Auto and a 2007 Bowman Chrome Refractor Luke Hochevar RC AU. LMK - Trey

[L.Washington#29]

I'll pass for now. Gordon isn't a true rookie auto otherwise I would want it and right now hochevar is 4-9 with an era of 5.15

[griffsdad2430]

Check my Bucket - I am definitely interested!!!

[sorianofan22]

Ill trade the pie auto for it ;)

[L.Washington#29]

griffsdad- I could use these:
Clayton Kershaw Sterling Auto
Andrew Carpenter Bowman Auto
Felix Pie Auto Jersey (when it arrives)
Mark Tex SPX auto jersey when it arrives
Tino Martinez Leahter Auto

soriano- I couldn't do it for just the pie. The last hanleys sold for 75 and the last pie sold for $20.50. I don't normally go by sell value but not going to give up 50 in your favor. Can you add these to even it up? Alex gordon heritage auto- last one sold 37, and henry sosa auto- selling between 15-20. The bv is in my favor but the sv is even.

[sorianofan22]

I was being sarcastic about the pie (notice the wink) as im not into graded cards, but for future reference i dont deal with sale value, i have traded many times where sale value was in the other persons favor. All bringing up sale value does is depreciate what card trading is. ALWAYS go by bv. And would never have done the second deal not in a million years, hainley is good, but hes not even a top 5 shortstop in the NL let alone the whole league in my opinion. (NL Shortstops, Rollins, Reyes, Renteria,Furcal, Eckstein all jump out to me a little more) Hopefully you didnt take that the wrong way, just keep it in mind for any future trade talks with me.

Mike

[izzyfiles]

sorianofan22 -

Dude you think Renteria, Furcal and Eckstein are better than Hanley. Thats crazy. Hanley is one of the best players in the majors let alone just at Shortstop. If were talking definsivelly ok he is n't the best but all around he is better than at least those three.

Sorry - L.Washington#29
I had to make a comment about what that guy said about Hanley it was crazy in my opinion.

[L.Washington#29]

sorianofan- no problem, but not going to give up 50 sell value regardgless of bv. It would be like trading you $75 for $20. Maybe you should read your sig? I know you like bv but hey, Ryan Brauns bowman chrome auto books 120 but it sells 190. Good luck trying to get some one to trade by bv. And your completly insane if you don't think hanley is top 5. He could be number 1 but no one looks at him because he plays for florida. If hanley switched with reyes, he would be considered the best shortstop in baseball because he would get more exposure. As of right now here are your players stats (and keep in mind for runs scored Hanley has only one other good hitter behind him and it's miguel cabrera, not pujols or howard):

Hanley Ramirez ba .332 , 23 HomeRuns, 65 RBI, 42 Stolen Bases, 102 Runs Scored

Jimmy Rollins ba .290, 24 home runs, 74 RBI, 27 Stolen Bases, 114 runs

Jose Reyes ba. ba.297 9 home runs, 48 RBI, 71 Stolen Bases, 99 runs The only reason he gets as much notice as he does is that he plays for the mets

Edgar Renteria: ba .336 (hot year, highest avg of career) 11 home runs, 53 RBI, 11 Stolen Bases, 74 Runs Scored

Rafael Furcal ba .275, 5 home runs 43 RBI stolen bases 13, 75 Runs

David Eckstein ba.290, 2 home runs, 24 RBI, 8 Stolen Bases, 42 Runs

Oh and Just for reference here are Derek Jeters stats who many consider to be the best shortstop:
batting average .319, 9 home runs, 59 RBI, 12 Stolen Bases, 83 Runs

So yah, you're right, Hanley is not a top 5 shortstop in the NL. Just because he has the best stats on this list and he is just coming into his second year while everyone else should be expireinced and used to the type of schedule means nothing, right? Haha, his stats blow away everyone elses. Nice try though

izzy- no problem, in fact I just extended your point ;)

[sorianofan22]

Let me remind you statistics are not baseball buddy, if you think thats all that goes into baseball you are dead wrong. Let me help YOU out a little bit since you OBVIOUSLY took that the wrong way. A SHORTSTOP IS A LEADER a GAMER a GUY to HELP HIS TEAM ULTIMATELY LEAD HIS TEAM TO WIN. ALSO HOME RUNS DONT MAKE YOU THE BEST PLAYER AT YOUR POSITION HAHA. he isnt the leading shortstop in ANY category you listed lol.

Jimmy Rollins-the Phillies playmaker- 71-62

Jose Reyes-The Mets playmaker- 73-60 (maybe he gets the hype because he makes plays happen)

Renerita- Braves Beautiful Pickup- 69-65

Furcal-dodgers gunner- 70-63

Eckstein World Champion Last Year and sneaking up onthe division- 66-69

Being a shortstop has to do with leadership and winning more then statistics, maybe you dont understand baseball, because i think alot of people realize that and realize why JEter IS the best short stop in the game....he wont hit 20 hr's a year, hes a leader though and does what ever it takes to win.

With that being said. Dont give me your excuses about funds and what not, florida has won 2 world championships on no salary with one of those with Renteria.

Thanks for you time. dont be a clown. Statistics dont mean to much when your record is disgusting. Anyhow have a good day, thought you were more polite of a trader and would do some kind of research before makeing a comment like Hainley is the best ss in the NL. What a joke.