Global cooling?

[mikesilvia]

Are we warming or cooling? In the 80s we had the coming ice age and now all the hot air that comes out of Gore's mouth is warming the earth (vice the sun). Here is an article on colling:
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles....87279412587175

Anyone ready to spend trillions fighting gloabal warming? :) Willing to pay a 50 cent a gallon tax to fight gloabal warming?

Can anyone show me proof the the earth is warming based on human activity and NOT the sun? Please don't post UN links of orginizations that ONLY get funding if humans cause global warming.

[Yanksfan396]

Well... the earth is absorbing more heat than it is releasing, which can only be due to man-made greenhouse gases; no solar anomalies. However, I absolutely hate science and cannot compare that amount of heat to factors from the sun.

[mikesilvia]

Well... the earth is absorbing more heat than it is releasing, which can only be due to man-made greenhouse gases; no solar anomalies. However, I absolutely hate science and cannot compare that amount of heat to factors from the sun.

Huh? Have some factual info you can share? Maybe it is just me, but I think the sun has far more to do with global warming than anything else. Want proof? Take away the sun and let's see how long we last. :) Take away humans and the earth will be just fine. The sun warms up and cools down. We don't stay the exact distance from the sun every year. Those are more likely factors than humans.

I've yet to see a single person that things global warming is caused by humans actual show me proof other than from UN scietists that take money base don humans causing global warming. Using models to predict doomsday is not accurate at all.

Among the IPCC's warming "deniers" is atmospheric scientist Hendrik Tennekes, former research director at the Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute.

"I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting — a six-meter sea level rise, 15 times the IPCC number — entirely without merit," he said. "I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: Just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached."

Physicist John W. Brosnahan, who develops remote-sensing tools for clients like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, says: "Of course I believe in global warming, and in global cooling — all part of the natural climate changes that the Earth has experienced for billions of years, caused primarily by cyclical variations in solar output."

Brosnahan says he has "not seen any sort of definitive, scientific link to man-made carbon dioxide as the root cause of global warming, only incomplete computer models that suggest that this might be the case." Those models, he says, leave out too many variables.

Indeed, a study in the Royal Meteorological Society's International Journal of Climatology looked at 22 computer models used by the IPCC. Most of the models couldn't even predict the past.

[mikesilvia]

I also love how Global Warming folks that want us to spend trillions fighting global warming (so they can get more funding) don't allow other scientists the debate the issue (and possible lose money).

Heartland Institute senior fellow James Taylor has noted that more than 600 scientists at the Bali gathering could have debunked Gore's warming theories, but the U.N. "censored" them.

By the way, Gore and his statist friends in Europe repeatedly have criticized the U.S. for its "failure to act" on warming. But new data show the U.S. in 2006 slashed output of greenhouse gases by 1.3%, while Europe's output continued to grow. So who's failing to act?

[mikesilvia]

Does anyone honestly believe this radiates the exact same temp every year?



Also, I posted this before. We had a "Global Cooling" scare before we had the "Global Warming" scare:

Here was the scare in 1974. Everyone as warning about the coming Ice Age! watch out we are all going to die unless we stop cooling the earth! :)



http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...944914,00.html

Another Ice Age?

Monday, Jun. 24, 1974

As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

1974 and 1972 National Science Board

In an opinion piece in the Washington Post, former U.S. Energy Secretary James Schlesinger wrote that in 1974 the National Science Board, the governing body of the National Science Foundation, stated:[12]

During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade. This statement is correct (see Historical temperature record) although the Washington Post quotes it with disapproval. The Post says the Board had observed two years earlier:

Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end . . . leading into the next glacial age. This quote is taken quite out of context, however, and is misleading as it stands. A more complete quote is:

Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end ... leading into the next glacial age. However, it is possible, or even likely, than human interference has already altered the environment so much that the climatic pattern of the near future will follow a different path. .

I love this 1975 News Week Article. The government is not doing enough! We need to stock pile and spend billions! :)

1975 Newsweek article

While these discussions were ongoing in scientific circles, more dramatic accounts appeared in the popular media, notably an April 28, 1975 article in Newsweek magazine. [15] Titled "The Cooling World", it pointed to "ominous signs that the Earth's weather patterns have begun to change" and pointed to "a drop of half a degree [Fahrenheit] in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968." The article claimed "The evidence in support of these predictions [of global cooling] has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it." The Newsweek article did not state the cause of cooling; it stated that "what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery" and cited the NAS conclusion that "not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions."

The article mentioned the alternative solutions of "melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting Arctic rivers" but conceded these were not feasible. The Newsweek article concluded by criticizing government leaders: "But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies...The longer the planners (politicians) delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality." The article emphasized sensational and largely unsourced consequences - "resulting famines could be catastrophic", "drought and desolation," "the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded", "droughts, floods, extended dry spells, long freezes, delayed monsoons," "impossible for starving peoples to migrate," "the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age."

On October 23, 2006, Newsweek issued a correction, over 31 years after the original article, stating that it had been "so spectacularly wrong about the near-term future" (though editor Jerry Adler claimed that 'the story wasn't "wrong" in the journalistic sense of "inaccurate."') [16].

How did temp rise up until 1880, then fall, then start to rise before 1920, then the Ice Age through the 60s and 80s, then the rise again? All this without SUVs and man made green house gases. Also, remember this is not even a 1/2 of degree of change since the 1970s! Yeah man!



I would also like to know why hundreds of years before the car or anything industrial, there was a rise in temp that brought us out of the mini Ice Age? So, from 1600 we raised about 8/10th of a degree (be scared), much more than we have risen recently (about half as much).

[Yanksfan396]

True, warming and cooling is cyclical (hence the sun's distance), but there must be some contributors to either strengthen or lessen the cooling/warming. It just seems odd that, with a rise in CO2 levels, there is a consistent rise in temperature.

[mikesilvia]

True, warming and cooling is cyclical (hence the sun's distance), but there must be some contributors to either strengthen or lessen the cooling/warming. It just seems odd that, with a rise in CO2 levels, there is a consistent rise in temperature.

Here is what I have read. It is the opposite of what Al Gore shows in his movie. The sun heats up and the #1 cause of "green house gases" is the ocean heating up. Al Gore is correct to show the correlation of heating and green house gas levels, but he has them backwards. As the sun heats up, the ocean begins to evaporate and releases the gas. Gore tries to make you believe it is the opposite. Gases are released and the earth warms.

The same is true from humans and animals breathing and dying. Green house gases are released. Most scientists, even UN ones, agree that humans cause about 3% of green house gases. These gases are naturally occurring and are not "evil". Even the co-founder of Green Peace agrees to this and he left Green Peace because it became so radical.

The most accurate weather man in England predicats weather patterns based on sun spots.

[mikesilvia]

My final point is this. I am VERY pro environment. I'm just against paying a 50 cent a gallon tax or several trillion dollars fighting "global warming" when there is no consensus. There are thousands of scientists who do NOT agree that humans cause all of this temp change. So, why would we spend trillions of our dollars and devastating our economy on a guess? Also, we give China and India a free pass.

I'm also against people silencing critics of Al Gore as "Oil men" and idiots. There is one incentive for the "we need to stop Global Warming now" people and that is money. The world is already financing organizations that ONLY exist if humans cause global warming. What do you expect them to say? They like their jobs.

The sad part is most Americans do not do the research and only listen to what they hear on TV. If people researched this issue they would realize that there is no consensus and almost all of Al Gore's data is based on models.

[JayJagFan]

I'm almost embarassed to say this, but you and I agree on something Mike.

[JeRmZ]

I'm all for Global Cooling, as long as it makes the Summers in Florida more enjoyable!!! :-)