All Time Greats Survivor: Outfield

[Mtanski]

I know what you mean pwaldo about Ruth's stats if he didn't pitch but I often wonder what kind of stats he would haver put up as a pitcher because I understand he was quite good.

My top 3 was
1. Aaron
2. Mays
3. Cobb/Ruth

It was fun watching the elimination process in this thread. Not everyone got eliminated in the order I thought they did but the end result ended up being where it should. So many arguements for so many players.

Mike

[TurdFerguson]

Mine were :

1 Ruth
2 Mays
3 Aaron
4 Cobb
5 Williams
6 DiMaggio

[Rockman]

Mine:

Mays
Ruth
Cobb
Williams
Musual/Bonds (who cares if hes on the roids dosnt help you be able to see the ball then hit it)

[pwaldo]

Originally posted by Mtanski
I know what you mean pwaldo about Ruth's stats if he didn't pitch but I often wonder what kind of stats he would haver put up as a pitcher because I understand he was quite good.

He had a career 94-46 record with a 2.28 ERA.

He was also 3-0 in the World Series with a 0.87 ERA. Which by itself is amazing but then you consider he did it for the Red Sox and its unthinkable of what kind of pitching stats he would have put up for the Yankees.

As for his hitting he had 20 HRS in his first 5 seasons with the Red Sox.

And 54 HRS in his first season with the Yankees.

It would be a safe bet that he would have gotten to 1000 HRS if he had started his career with the Yankees.

[Bonds_25]

My top 4 in order:
Bonds
Mays
Ruth
Williams

[kgpittm]

I had..
1 - Ruth
2 - Williams
3 - Aaron
4 - Mays
5 - Cobb
6 - Musial/Mantle/Bonds (all very close in my book)

[pwaldo]

Well I know my Ted Williams "would have hit this many HRS" isn't always the best way to put it across because it doesn't click with people so I was just going through and came up with this.

The years that Ted lost to war were age 24,25,26,33,34. Some of your best prime years.

If you took those seasons away from the other guys here is how they'd stack up:

Ruth:

24 - 29 HRS
25 - 54 HRS
26 - 59 HRS
33 - 54 HRS
34 - 46 HRS

That would have been 242 lost HRS leaving Ruth with 472 career HRS.

Aaron:

24 - 30 HRS
25 - 39 HRS
26 - 40 HRS
33 - 39 HRS
34 - 29 HRS

That would have been 177 lost HRS leaving Aaron with 578 career HRS.

Mays:

24 - 51 HRS
25 - 36 HRS
26 - 35 HRS
33 - 47 HRS
34 - 52 HRS

That would have been 221 lost HRS leaving Mays with 439 career HRS.

That's just with HRS that Ted lost but its amazing that he passed 500 HRS seeing as how Ruth and Mays would not have hit that mark if they missed the seasons that Ted did.

Ted's power gets overlooked by his hitting and now players are hitting 500 HRS left and right but it actually meant something when he reached that mark. It still does but its just not the same.

He always holds the record for most HRS by a player in his final season unless McGwire broke that a couple years ago....

Anyway just wanted to point that out and I'll have the DH survivor up this weekend.

[Molina00]

Both McGwire and Williams hit 29 homeruns in their final season.
I like your last post subtracting the years Williams lost from the other great homerun hitters. I adds a new kind of perspective on how other players would have performed if they had lost some years as Williams unfortunately did.