Capitalism - oooo so scaaaryyyy

[daniel3417]

Why is capitalism such a terrible word nowadays? It's a system that stresses individual choice. It guarantees success to those who provide a service that is needed. Too many people want things given to them now, so capitalism is of course the worst thing in the world.

I believe in limited government in every arena:
-Lower taxes (Congress just wastes the money anyway)
-No government regulation in business (do you want some restriction placed on your business that you worked hard to open?)
-No law restricting gay marriage (the government has no business deciding what's moral)
-Privatize schools (why is it that every successful business is a private one? It's because they work for profit! Allow good teachers to get paid REALLY WELL and fire bad teachers. They can be the new janitors)

That's just a handful. I suppose I'm a Libertarian.

[streicher187]

It guarantees success to those who provide a service that is needed. Too many people want things given to them now, so capitalism is of course the worst thing in the world.

If you look it's business that are getting bailed out by the goverment the last 8 years not the people. I think if a bank gives out loans to people who can not afford them or even does shady practices they deserve to go out of business not have the goverment give them billions of dollars to keep screwing people over... I also don't think they need to give tax breaks to companies (like oil) for one thing then allow them to use it as they please (given to explore alternative energy and they used it to buy back their own stock)..

If your not going to help out the people DON'T bail out the businesses, They made it a LOT harder for people to file bankruptcy when Bush passed a bill written by the credit card companies so Businesses shouldn't be allowed either (let GM fold, Let the Airlines Fold) or merge with other to become one..

I have long HATED Welfare and think that it should be done away with or actually fixed so people are not on it for 25 or more years.. But untill the goverment stops bailing out the businesses they can not stop giving hand outs to indivduals..

sounds like you should have voted for Ron Paul as he has the same views you do (and I agree with a lot of his views on doing away with IRS, Homland Security and other wasteful goverment spending)..

[daniel3417]

I agree 110% with the need to stop bailing ANYONE out of trouble. We have plenty of rules set-up to prevent failure, and if you break them, you and/or your business may deserve to go under. The government bailed out Bear Sterns because of the domino effect it would have on the US, but in the long run, that will hurt us. That is not capitalism.

I would also agree with you that it is not right to give tax breaks to oil companies if it were happening. You're going to have to show me where you are getting that information. My information (the public records of the IRS and oil companies' balance sheets) says that they taxed astronomically with high income taxes, capital gains taxes, and windfall taxes which cannot be defined and are therefore determined by Congress. It's ludicrous what the government taxes oil companies. They just pass those high tax rates right to us, too. Thank the government partially for high gas prices. For some reason, the media has been successful in turning the people against the oil companies. Why? They provide a vital commodity. They should be our best friends!

And if an oil company buys back its own stock, it makes the remaining stock in the market more valuable, so Joe Schmo, who has a mutual fund for his retirement will benefit. Stock buybacks are great.

I have read your other posts, and you seems like a liberal, but on this subject, I'm sorry to say that you are very, very conservative. Good! Welfare is a terrible system, but no president will ever mess with it lest he lose votes for his Party from the Welfare recipients. The government handout will lead to this country's downfall one day.

I might've voted for Paul if he was a more serious candidate. My list was Fred Thompson, then Mitt Romney, then Rudy Guiliani, then I didn't have an opinion. John McCain was my least favorite. IF you like Ron Paul, check out info on Bob Barr from Georgia who is running as a Libertarian.

[haybierman]

(and I agree with a lot of his views on doing away with Homland Security)..

I think if people knew exactly what the Dept of Homeland Security does, how many agencies fall under its umbrella, and what it has done to keep the country safe since 9-11 they would be starkly surprised. Anyone who even suggests getting rid of DHS, or calling it WASTEFUL is out of their mind.

Do you realize that getting rid of that wasteful ol' Homeland Security means liquidating the Coast Guard, FEMA, ICE, the Secret Service, not to mention the TSA, CBP and CIS.... all who have the sole duty to protect our borders.



Please enlighten me as to how DHS is "wasteful".

[gatorboymike]

The problem is that all businesses naturally assume the highest level of corruption they are allowed to at all times. They will always charge as much as they possibly can for the least, cheapest and worst goods and services they possibly can, they will always use the most dishonest and destructive business tactics they possibly can, they will always treat their customers as poorly as they possibly can, and they will always treat their employees as poorly as they possibly can. Capitalism doesn't just allow this, it encourages and rewards it. Business cannot be trusted to govern itself.

[daniel3417]

The problem is that all businesses naturally assume the highest level of corruption they are allowed to at all times. They will always charge as much as they possibly can for the least, cheapest and worst goods and services they possibly can, they will always use the most dishonest and destructive business tactics they possibly can, they will always treat their customers as poorly as they possibly can, and they will always treat their employees as poorly as they possibly can. Capitalism doesn't just allow this, it encourages and rewards it. Business cannot be trusted to govern itself.

Capitalism does not reward any of the above. The only thing you mentioned that is close to being correct is that businesses will charge the most they can for their product. Hey, if you're stupid enough to buy the "worst goods and services" then you're the idiot.

Think of it like this: If you go to a restaurant and you get terrible service and terrible food, would you go back? I think not. If you do--you're stupid. I can't speak for you, but bad business who do the things you talk about go out of business around here.

Enlighten me on how anyone or any business that has terrible services and products are rewarded by capitalism.

[gatorboymike]

Two corporations the capitalist Bush administration has allowed to move within inches of a monopoly are Upper Deck and Publix. Let's examine them, shall we? The more of the market Upper Deck has brought into its control, the more destructive it has become to all of sports card collecting and the worse its customer service has gotten. Publix has swallowed up practically every other supermarket in America except Albertsons, and it's in the process of getting that one too. Have you been to a Publix lately? Their products have become so low-quality that they practically induce plague, the stores are filthy and the employees hate their jobs and are hateful to the customers. If there was any justice, these people would have been flayed and gutted with the sword of antitrust.

Capitalism thrives on monopolistic corporate warfare, and is therefore the enemy of the common people. Its goal is simple: to create a monopoly in every single sector of business. Once that happens, the monopolies will turn against each other, creating supermassive entities that control every aspect of life. When they run out of ways to conquer each other business-wise, they will begin buying up the military and police forces to literally wage war on each other. The end goal is for there to be a single corporation that rules everything with an iron fist, overthrowing the civilian government and forcing you to pay for your basic human rights...at a skyrocketing rate that makes current gas prices look like Upper Deck's redemption system. Every day you'll have to pay for your life, pay for your freedom, pay for your free speech, and all of that...and they won't feel the least bit sorry about violating your rights left and right even if you do pay. That's what Ron Paul and all your libertarian/neo-conservative buddies want, and that's what lies in store for us unless their agenda is stopped now.

[tutall]

Two corporations the capitalist Bush administration has allowed to move within inches of a monopoly are Upper Deck and Publix. Let's examine them, shall we? The more of the market Upper Deck has brought into its control, the more destructive it has become to all of sports card collecting and the worse its customer service has gotten. Publix has swallowed up practically every other supermarket in America except Albertsons, and it's in the process of getting that one too. Have you been to a Publix lately? Their products have become so low-quality that they practically induce plague, the stores are filthy and the employees hate their jobs and are hateful to the customers. If there was any justice, these people would have been flayed and gutted with the sword of antitrust.

Capitalism thrives on monopolistic corporate warfare, and is therefore the enemy of the common people. Its goal is simple: to create a monopoly in every single sector of business. Once that happens, the monopolies will turn against each other, creating supermassive entities that control every aspect of life. When they run out of ways to conquer each other business-wise, they will begin buying up the military and police forces to literally wage war on each other. The end goal is for there to be a single corporation that rules everything with an iron fist, overthrowing the civilian government and forcing you to pay for your basic human rights...at a skyrocketing rate that makes current gas prices look like Upper Deck's redemption system. Every day you'll have to pay for your life, pay for your freedom, pay for your free speech, and all of that...and they won't feel the least bit sorry about violating your rights left and right even if you do pay. That's what Ron Paul and all your libertarian/neo-conservative buddies want, and that's what lies in store for us unless their agenda is stopped now.

Do you realize why there is a monopoly in something as simple as sportscards... because we the consumer go out and spent 100 bucks on a pack of carboard that may or may not contain a piece of a jersey that would cost roughly 30 bucks to produce or a autographed sticker. I hate how everyone complains about capitalism. If i go out and want to start a business and mark my stuff up 3000 percent and you still buy it.. thats your fault. Go down the road and get it. There is nothing wrong with maximizing profits if the public is stupid enough to buy them. There are only 2 places i would like to see government regulations and that is oil and food. Simply because those are two things you have to purchase so prices on those should not be turned into profits the same way. Although we would still have places like wal-mart that would sell in bulk to make profits instead of mark-ups.

Bottom line if you dont like something dont keep going back. If you dont like upper deck dont buy their products

[Yanksfan396]

What we fail to realize is that many capitalistic corporations can charge so much because consumers are forced to buy their goods--it has nothing to do with choice. For instance, are you simply NOT going to buy gas, prescription drugs, or health services?

[tutall]

gas is where i agree with you.... the reason this is, right now there is no competition. With prescription drugs there are always generics and with health services there are some government regs in place now but there is still some competition in certain areas.... plus most americans that have health care could care less about price as they pay 25 bucks no matter what when they go to the hospital....

Whats funny is this country was born on capitalism but now that the process is broke they want to turn the other way.