How can Obama NOT win?

[vladroks10]

i hate to say it because i am a supporter of obama, but the reason he may not win is because of his race. I read an article (see if i can find the link) that states that he will lose approximately 6 % of undecided voters on election day because of his race. Racism is still a problem in this country

[ensbergcollector]

i hate to say it because i am a supporter of obama, but the reason he may not win is because of his race. I read an article (see if i can find the link) that states that he will lose approximately 6 % of undecided voters on election day because of his race. Racism is still a problem in this country

it goes both ways though. He will draw a much larger percentage of the black vote than McCain will draw of the white vote. So, which is a matter of racism?

[vladroks10]

i agree but look how many more whites there are than blacks.

not including white hispanics, there are over 198 million caucasians in this country.
There are only around 41 million African Americans in this country. So, although i do agree that Obama will draw more blacks, the white population will ultimately decide the election.

[ensbergcollector]

i agree but look how many more whites there are than blacks.

not including white hispanics, there are over 198 million caucasians in this country.
There are only around 41 million African Americans in this country. So, although i do agree that Obama will draw more blacks, the white population will ultimately decide the election.

would you mind defining "white hispanics" for me? Because hispanics vote democratic a large majority of the time so if anything they will help Obama.

My comment wasnt so much on the number of votes as your ability to call whites who vote against Obama for his race racist, but won't label blacks who vote for him because of his race the same.

[maccards44]

Actually it was YOUR opinion, see the little QUOTES,

Your opinion. Have an actual point to make about this thread? Or going to just keep complaining over and over and never get to the topic of the thread?

It looks like the real topic of the thread is "McCain-is-down-in-the-polls-and-I-want-to-start-making-excuses-now-about-the-inevitable-in-an-effort-to-play-the-victim,-something-I-have-accused-other-people-of-doing-in-the-past-and-told-them-it-wastes-time,-but-I-can-do-it-anyway-because-I-can-contradict-myself-as-much-as-I-want."

But that title didn't fit so I get it...

As far as a legitimate reason that Obama might "NOT win"
How about this:He's Black.
That's reason 1-12 and 12a as well. Not that long ago in the south black people were not ALLOWED IN CERTAIN PLACES, never mind being treated equally. They were MURDERED just for being black and it WASN'T that long ago. Many of the people that did that stuff are still around today and thier attitudes certainly are as well. We have come along way and Barack Obama is a great symbol of how for we have come, but that doesn't mean those attitudes have gone away, nobody can honestly claim they have for the whole country.

as far as this...

My comment wasnt so much on the number of votes as your ability to call whites who vote against Obama for his race racist, but won't label blacks who vote for him because of his race the same.

It really depends on your definition of Racism & there is more than one, more than two in fact.

For me, I subscribe to the definition that says its "race-based prejudice, violence, discrimination, or oppression."
By that definition of racism voting AGAINST someone because they are a particular race would be racism. Voting against Obama because he's black would be *discriminating* to *oppress* the black man in the race. On the flip side, voting FOR someone because they are a particular race would not be racism. A black person voting for Obama because he's black would be (i assume) trying to build up the black race because of years oppression they have suffered.

Another definition defines racism as, "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group."

I *think* under that definition anyone voting for a candidate based soley on race would be a racist - black or white. To me that definition takes place in a vaccum and while accurate I suppose, it doesn't take into account the reality of the black experiece in America.

Actually, as I read it again, this definition seems to jive with my way of thinking too. Here's why: If a white person votes for McCain because he is white and Obama is black, he is racist under this definition because he believes Obama is inferior to the white candidate. However, if a black person votes for Obama because he is black, we cannot assume that voter believes blacks are superior to whites. It very well may be but we can't assume that in all Obama voters. We don't often think about the reality of racism in America, it's a topic worth discussing.

[gladdyontherise]

it goes both ways though. He will draw a much larger percentage of the black vote than McCain will draw of the white vote. So, which is a matter of racism?

I feel that it's not so much African Americans being racist. I think it's more of them trying to "protect" there race.

I think alot of African Americans still feel how people don't like them or see what it was like before laws were changed, and by doing that they stick together and act like "family" because they feel safer around there own race.

I think whites simply just dont like Obama because he is black, and African American's vote for Obama because he is black because they want to "defend there family" so to speak. besides being this is the first time a non-white canidate is in the race so those African Americans have been voting for white people since they've been allowed

[RedGoneWILD]

true, we have no history of her backing presidential elections but her following on other things is ridiculous. She picks a book of lies as her book of the month and within 2 days it is the top selling book in america. Obviously it is easier to buy a book than elect a president but don't doubt that there is a percentage of her supporters that will do pretty much whatever she tells them.
For the record, this is just my opinion and no I do not have any statistics to back it up (except for the book comment)

I agree with you that she's very influential, but being a primary reason Obama should win this election I think is just a bit of a reach

Just curious what the book of lies is tho

[bravesfan#1]

If Obama doesn't win the Presidency, it would have to be the worst run campaign in the history of politics. Here are advantages that I see:

1. Obama has a 2 - 1 cash advantage. $460 million to McCain's $230 million.
2. Obama has been on the Oprah show
3. Obama has a failing economy and a standing Republican President
4. Most Americans have a negative opinion on Iraq and Obama voted against Iraq
5. Obama has the media in his pocket (Time Magazine cover 6-7 times, Newsweek many times, etc) and Palin has them savagely attacking her
6. Obama has world support, something like 4-1
7. Obama has the Clintons campaigning for him and McCain has Bush :(
8. Obama is very young and McCain is very old
9. Obama has an experienced VP and McCain has an inexperienced VP
10. Obama is a great speaker and McCain is an average speaker
11. Obama has Democrats same day registering and voting people in Ohio
12. You can't talk about Obama's personal life without being called a racist

How in the world can Obama NOT win this election? Why is he not up 10-20 points like Reagan was again Dukakis or Nixon was against McGovern?

13. Obama now has his own channel on Dish Network. It shows his political ads non-stop, 24/7

[mikesilvia]

Funny, that only Obama supporters think race is a major issue when Obama doesn't think so.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/14275

Some how Obama is getting 48-50% in the polls for the past month, but he won't win because of race. How did he beat Hillary then? How did he win Iowa and other mostly white states? Obama realizes race is not an issue, maybe it is time for his supporters to stop pulling out the race card every time we try to have a serious discussion!

[gladdyontherise]

Some how Obama is getting 48-50% in the polls for the past month, but he won't win because of race. How did he beat Hillary then? How did he win Iowa and other mostly white states?!

He beat out Clinton because like race issues, gender issues are still big. many many people can't handle a women leading the country, so that plays big into this..

He won mostly white states because the majority of racism comes from southern states, and some feel an african american man is better than a white women in office