Question : Odds of pulling inserts...

[theboxdaddy]

Hello, all,

I'm a new member, and a former collector who is getting back into the game. What I want to do is buy one or two boxes a year(maybe more), and put them away, unopened. The main deciding factor for me is finding the boxes with the rarest insert cards, or the least chances of pulling inserts. In other words, a pack with a high ratio(For example, a set where the odds of pulling one of the insert cards is 1:1,047 packs.)

In addition, I'd also be looking for boxes that had a relatively low number/limited amount of boxes produced/printed.

Also, is there a place to see a list or something regarding the specs of new card sets, like a picture of a box/or packs, a checklist, insert odds, production numbers, stuff like that. I looked around this website and couldn't find anything like that.

Thanks in advance for any help

[Edwards2Evans]

Hello, all,

I'm a new member, and a former collector who is getting back into the game. What I want to do is buy one or two boxes a year(maybe more), and put them away, unopened. The main deciding factor for me is finding the boxes with the rarest insert cards, or the least chances of pulling inserts. In other words, a pack with a high ratio(For example, a set where the odds of pulling one of the insert cards is 1:1,047 packs.)

In addition, I'd also be looking for boxes that had a relatively low number/limited amount of boxes produced/printed.

Also, is there a place to see a list or something regarding the specs of new card sets, like a picture of a box/or packs, a checklist, insert odds, production numbers, stuff like that. I looked around this website and couldn't find anything like that.

Thanks in advance for any help

The question In conclusion:

What box can I buy now that I can scam people with in 15 years telling them they'll get an insert card with the odds at 1:3941?

Answer:

There's no boxes that there only a limited amount made, and for the insert odds, etc. you can go to any sports card website like dacardworld.com or blowoutcards.com and click on the link to the boxes.

[pgrossma]

Most modern sets have many tiers of inserts with varying levels of scarcity. There are also many different price points available for card packs, with the box price being equalized somewhat by manufacturers putting fewer packs into each of their high-end boxes (and yes, the logical extreme of a one-pack box has been done many times). When you combine these two factors, the effect is that insert ratios only tell a small portion of the story of what makes the insert chase for a given box interesting. What tends to be more heavily advertised these days is what insert levels are guaranteed on a per box basis--you will notice this as you start shopping.

To answer your question, though, the highest insert ratios are found in the sets with the largest production runs. For example, Topps inserts 1/1 printing plates into its regular Topps set, but the odds of pulling one are astronomical. Topps boxes are sufficiently plentiful that they don't really appreciate in value, so if you're treating your purchases as investments, this is probably not the way to go.

Historically, there have been sets produced with a stated number of boxes or cases produced. When done, it has typically been with the most high-end products to help advertise their scarcity. Instances of this occurring are few and far between--manufacturers are typically very coy about their products' contents to encourage speculation on the part of their consumers.

New card sets are well advertised online. All the major manufacturers have web sites containing product information and checklists. As noted previously, major box dealers are also good about documenting what they sell.

Peter G.

[theboxdaddy]

The question In conclusion:

What box can I buy now that I can scam people with in 15 years telling them they'll get an insert card with the odds at 1:3941?

You got me wrong here, bud. My intention is not to sell it in the future like that and try to scamm anyone, if someone has common sense then they'll understand that with odds like that, they probably won't find one in just that one box. It's an investment for me, and my logic is that even with odds like that, there still COULD be one in a box, possibly causing the value of the unopened box to increase. Thanks for your help, though, I do appreciate it.

[dirtydistance]

I think a lot of boxes will depreciate in the future. So your best bet is going after some years with a strong rookie class. I'd say any of the higher end products from 2008 football as the rookie class led by Matt Ryan should have some longevity in the hobby.

[piranhaenter]

that was an uncalled for response to this guys post. if you want to be an angry person don't take it out on him. He was asking what types of boxes make for a good investment when left unopened. Not only that, your answer was totally wrong, all boxes and cards, always have a limited print run...liberals...sheesh

My viewpoint is with unopened product there is only one that really ever made sense to me, which is Bowman Draft in Baseball. More often or not they will be worth more three years after it comes out due to the rookies getting called up into the majors. All unopened wax is a risk but if I were gonna pick up a case once a year of anything that's what I would buy.

The question In conclusion:

What box can I buy now that I can scam people with in 15 years telling them they'll get an insert card with the odds at 1:3941?

Answer:

There's no boxes that there only a limited amount made, and for the insert odds, etc. you can go to any sports card website like dacardworld.com or blowoutcards.com and click on the link to the boxes.

[piranhaenter]

that's good advice too, if you have faith in the rookie crop it may make for a good investment...2006 NFL still seems to be a better than avg crop of rookies...leinart, young and bush need to produce though. But if they do with williams and jones-drew...possibly vernon davis if he gets his head out his ***...that's a hell of a crop of rookies.

I think a lot of boxes will depreciate in the future. So your best bet is going after some years with a strong rookie class. I'd say any of the higher end products from 2008 football as the rookie class led by Matt Ryan should have some longevity in the hobby.

[dirtydistance]

2004 is another strong year in NFL rookies(think QBs, Larry Fitz and Michael Turner), and 2005 stuff might be worth the chance if you can find it on the cheap with Matt Cassel breaking out, Aaron Rodgers and who knows if Braylon Edwards and Ronnie Brown could blossom into elite status.

[dooly]

2007 was a good year for baseball with lincecum, joba, dice-k, etc.

[VintageHeros]

Just make sure there are absolutley no redemptions in any product you put away for some time...if you think redemptions suck now just wait till you pull an expired one!