The Official Raiders/49ers thread

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Originally posted by leftyshan
I love Garrison, but it's time for Barlow to be the man. That'd be nice if we could get some help with the offensive line or corner.

again, I agree

I hope Barlow works this off-season on holding the ball more in towards his body rather than out in the open, where every defender can punch it away.

We could use the money from not signing Terrell on some good OL or CB

I think we need more help on OL

[leftyshan]

Originally posted by podstock
Lefty....Rice didn't want to leave the Niners (or at least that's what I thought).

I agree he didn't want to leave. What I meant is I hope he wants to come back after they showed him the door. I think he will. Especially after seeing Joe come back for his number being retired. I too would love to see Rice, TO and Lloyd together. I just think it's time to move on. He's causing too many distractions lately, not to mention the fact that he's dropped a ton of balls this year. If you've ever heard him interviewed, football's not his passion like it is for Jerry. His first love is basketball. He plays because he's good at it. We need Jerry's passion for the game and his leadership back.

[leftyshan]

Originally posted by podstock


did anyone see tonight's MNF?

Raiders finally had QBs, specifically Tee Martin, who were looking to throw it to Rice

I thought Tee Martin looked good. I hope he gets a legitimate shot at QB next preseason. He can move around and do some things out of the pocket. However, I wouldn't get too excited. It was against a prevent defense that was leaving the middle of the field wide open for Jerry to just sit there. :D

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Originally posted by leftyshan
I thought Tee Martin looked good. I hope he gets a legitimate shot at QB next preseason. He can move around and do some things out of the pocket. However, I wouldn't get too excited. It was against a prevent defense that was leaving the middle of the field wide open for Jerry to just sit there. :D

awww, com' on!

cut me some slack.

This is one of Rice's worst year statistically, and I have been in misery!!

so, seeing Tee throw every single pass to Rice, and seeing Rice catch 10 for 159 yards

that made my season

I am hoping the Raiders play Tee Martin next week vs the Chargers

what do the Raiders have to lose in playing Tee?

1. if Tee has a bad game and Raiders lose, that's a higher draft pick
2. Tee is the future; Mirer and Rob Johnson are hanging on by a thread, hoping to get as much money as they can before going into the real work place
3. Tee gets much needed experience.
4. both teams are totally out of the playoffs, so no quabbles about playing your best game and winning to help a team that needs to get into first place.

If Callahan, Al Davis, and the Raiders are smart, they start Tee Martin!!

of course, I want to see Rice catch another 10+ catches for 150+ yards and some TDs

lol

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The Raiders need a higher draft pick so they can take either roslisthberger or Eli Manning...

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Originally posted by great_one_55
The Raiders need a higher draft pick so they can take either roslisthberger or Eli Manning...

I agree...or even Ryan Dinwiddie, if he leaves early.

hmmm, who won the Heisman? lolol....

anyways, right now, if season ended,

San Diego and Arizona both have 3 wins (AZ needs a QB badly; but Chargers already have Drew Brees, and it's too early to give up on Brees).

Atlanta, Detroit, NY Giants, Oakland and Cleveland have 4 wins (Atlanta doesn't need a QB; neither does Detroit. Not sure about Cleveland and their QB situation)

so, the worst teams of 2003 that need a QB are:
AZ
NY Giants (need a replacement soon for Collins)
Raiders
Cleveland (still have to deal with Holcombe and Couch).

So, in short, Raiders should get a good shot at the QBs if they lose to the Chargers!

Yet another reason to play Tee Martin, who threw the first 4 passes of his NFL career this past Monday night!!

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Jerry Rice back in a 49ers uniform??

((oh, but how I wish and fantasize that this may come true))

here's an article from www.sacbee.com/sports


49ers Notes: Garcia would welcome Rice finishing with S.F.
By Jim Jenkins -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 a.m. PST Thursday, December 25, 2003

SANTA CLARA -- If Jerry Rice has had his fill of the Raiders, 49ers quarterback Jeff Garcia would welcome the NFL's career-leading receiver back to San Francisco.
Garcia, as are most people, is wondering whether Rice, at age 41, wants to continue playing next year. And, if he does, does he want to finish his career with a fourth season in Oakland? Or would he consider a chance to return to his roots and retire as a 49er?

After the Raiders fell to 4-11 with Monday night's 41-7 loss to Green Bay, Rice indicated he was leaning toward playing at least another season because he didn't want to wind up his career in a negative atmosphere. The Raiders are expected to begin a roster overhaul with an emphasis on youth after Sunday's season-finale at San Diego.
Garcia sees brighter circumstances for Rice rejoining the 49ers, who are 7-8 entering Saturday's final game against visiting Seattle and might have been back in the playoffs but for a few narrow defeats.

"It would be great to see Jerry retire as a 49er," Garcia said. "He spent so many positive years here, did so much for this organization. Whether he wants to play another year obviously has yet to be determined. That's something he's going to think about, but I remember him as a 49er. I know he was rejuvenated in many ways by going over to the Raiders and having some successful years there. But if we can have him finish here, that would be awesome."

Rice left the 49ers following the 2000 season because he was being unseated as the primary receiver by Terrell Owens. Owens, however, may not be back next season. He was formally placed on season-ending injured reserve Wednesday after fracturing his left collarbone in Sunday's game at Philadelphia.

Loopholes in Owens' contract allow him to test the free-agent market after the season. The 49ers also may make little or no attempt to re-sign Owens, given the progress of younger receivers, Owens' flare-ups with Garcia and coaches, and the likelihood the four-time Pro Bowl selection will seek a megabucks contract.

Owens' injury may take four months to fully heal. Whether that discourages would-be suitors remains to be seen.

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12/27/03 update: 49ers lose 24-17, to Seattle

the article below summarizes my feeling about the Niners football season

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...2/28/KNAPP.TMP

Season encapsulated in one act of timidity
Gwen Knapp

Great teams can make magic in 7 seconds. On Saturday, the 49ers had 7 seconds to make something, anything. They're not a great team, but then again, they didn't need magic. They were only 12 yards from the end zone, with nothing to lose by throwing a pass, by taking a small chance. They were on second down with an entire half of football left -- an entire half, plus 7 luscious seconds.

They made nothing of those 7 seconds. The 49ers aimed low and got what they deserved.

A 29-yard field-goal attempt clanked off the right goal post. The Candlestick crowd booed, but not as loudly as it had a few seconds earlier, when the offense left the field and Todd Peterson lined up for the kick.

The second round of boos had a tone of resignation, a "we told you so'' quality. The first round was deep and loud, pure scorn. The failed kick didn't rankle as much as the dearth of ambition it represented.

Great teams can make magic in 7 seconds. The 49ers aren't even a good team. They have great statistics, but great statistics don't make magic. They don't even put a team into the playoffs in a year when playoff qualification is cheaper than hosiery at a garage sale.

The 49ers lost to the Seahawks on Saturday by a touchdown, by the 7 points they didn't try to score at the end of the first half. They finished their season at 7-9, a year after they went 10-6 with a sickly defense.

The franchise is mystified by its record, and by "mystified,'' I mean blaming the kickers. They're deserving scapegoats, but the fault certainly doesn't belong exclusively, or even largely, to with pseudo-soccer players who happen to cash NFL paychecks.

Yes, a lot of little things, including the toes of Jeff Chandler, Owen Pochman and Bill LaFleur, added up to that 7-9 record. But there's a larger picture here, and it shows a season that was an across-the-board football failure.

"We're a better team than we showed today,'' quarterback Jeff Garcia said, an assessment that applied to the whole season.

Player by player, the 49ers really are better -- too talented and committed to be 7-9. But the front office and the coaching staff did not put together a strategy that made everything work. As a result, the 49ers found ways to lose, the same way that champions find ways to win.

Those 7 wasted seconds at the end of the first half Saturday were one more little thing, and they were everything. The timidity of attempting a field goal in that situation defied every promise that was made to 49ers fans at the beginning of this season.

When Dennis Erickson was hired as the head coach in February, he and the management that chose him vowed to turn out a more aggressive team than the one so cautiously tended by Steve Mariucci.

Yet those 7 seconds on Saturday were almost as egregiously squandered as the infamously forsaken 50 seconds in last season's playoff loss to Tampa Bay. In fact, in some ways, this episode was worse. Mariucci thought his team was so overwhelmed that it needed to recover its senses rather than go for a big play at the end of the first half. It was not the way to coach a playoff game, but Mariucci did have a point. The way things were going that day, a deep pass was very likely to yield an interception.

More than that, though, Mariucci and the 49ers had something to lose in those 50 seconds. They were one win away from the NFC title game. This year's 49ers would have risked nothing by throwing into the end zone against the Seahawks. Their season was going to end on Saturday no matter what they did. They might as well have done something bold. And really, how daring was it to go for a touchdown in that situation?

Erickson said he decided to kick because a penalty two plays earlier had pushed the 49ers from the 2 yard line to the 12. If they'd still been at the 2, he would have run a play, probably a fade route.

But it's not asking much of an NFL receiver to run a route of 12 yards in less than 5 seconds. It's certainly not asking much from a quarterback of Garcia's caliber to make all the necessary decisions in less than 5 seconds. In fact, on the previous play, an incomplete 12-yard pass to Tai Streets, just 5 seconds had peeled off the clock.

Another incompletion would have left time for Peterson to come out with 1 second left. Plus, the 49ers had a timeout left, an insurance policy. And still they didn't take the chance, the tiny, inconsequential chance.

They may have earned a slightly higher draft pick by calling on Peterson prematurely. But they weren't playing for draft position these last two weeks, when the playoffs were out of reach. They were playing for pride, for a .500 record. Instead, they have a 7-9 record, which could leave them worse off than the Chicago Bears, who started their season with a 49-7 loss to the Niners, completely outplayed and outclassed. They will enter Sunday's finale at 7-8.

It's all very mystifying. And then again, it isn't.

[leftyshan]

Well put. :cry:

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Lefty - you know what's amazing?

how can a team ranked #3 overall in offense and #3 overall in defense have a losing record????