Eli Manning extends contract...

[Kickstand54]

I see him as a VERY average NFL QB on a pretty good team with a pretty good defense. He won a SB, yes, but to me that speaks more about the Giants than it does Eli. I cannot even fathom any team spending anything remotely in the ballpark of this contract for a player of his caliber. I personally don't think he's even worth half of that salary over 6 years. But who am I to judge, it's not my money.

[duane1969]

2 things:

1) Regardless of whether you throw 200 passes or 800 passes, 55% completion is 55% completion. The type of offense you play in doesn't justify barely completing more than half of your passes. If Eli was in a pass first offense he would still only be completing 55% of his passes.

2) The same applies to nearly throwing as many INTs as TDs. Regardless of if you are in a pass first or run first offense, if you can only manage a few more TDs than INTs then you are not a great QB.

If you throw 40 TDs and 36 INTs or you throw 20 TDs and 18 INTs the ratio is the same and neither one is good.

[duwal]

2 things:

1) Regardless of whether you throw 200 passes or 800 passes, 55% completion is 55% completion. The type of offense you play in doesn't justify barely completing more than half of your passes. If Eli was in a pass first offense he would still only be completing 55% of his passes.

2) The same applies to nearly throwing as many INTs as TDs. Regardless of if you are in a pass first or run first offense, if you can only manage a few more TDs than INTs then you are not a great QB.

If you throw 40 TDs and 36 INTs or you throw 20 TDs and 18 INTs the ratio is the same and neither one is good.

but didn't he have a better throwing percentage and TD/INT ratio than Big Ben last season?

Ben 59.9 % 17 TD, 15 INT
Eli 60.3 % 21 TD, 10 INT

[Velvet Hoop]

2 things:

1) Regardless of whether you throw 200 passes or 800 passes, 55% completion is 55% completion. The type of offense you play in doesn't justify barely completing more than half of your passes. If Eli was in a pass first offense he would still only be completing 55% of his passes.

2) The same applies to nearly throwing as many INTs as TDs. Regardless of if you are in a pass first or run first offense, if you can only manage a few more TDs than INTs then you are not a great QB.

If you throw 40 TDs and 36 INTs or you throw 20 TDs and 18 INTs the ratio is the same and neither one is good.

My point was the TD totals weren't as high because he didn't pass as much. The completion percentage wasn't as high because he plays in the Meadowlands. You kinda misapplied the point I was trying to make.

Also, all offenses aren't the same. QB's don't throw 55% in one, and 55% in another. The West Coast system will produce a much higher completion percentage than QB's operating under the Al Davis passing ideology.

Peyton Manning is better than Eli Manning. But the stats you used to prove that point are like comparing apples and oranges.

Eli just gets a bad rap because he didn't want to play for the Chargers and used his last name to facilitate a favorable situation (in his opinion).