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08-13-2009, 01:59 AM #11
Yes of course, that's a perfectly legitimate reason for breaking boxes, especially if you're comfortable spending the money and accept the consequences.
However, in his post he says this: "But why do you break boxes? for fun? to waste money", therefore implying that his motivation behind breaking boxes is not about fun, but to make money and get PC items. I was just pointing out that if his sole purpose for breaking boxes was to A) find PC items, and B) make/save money, then he should just buy singles, as it would accomplish both A and B. Additionally, he wouldn't have to put in the time and effort of listing and selling the cards.
If you take for granted the notion of fun, or don't factor in the amusement level associated with breaks into the initial cost of the product, but rather consider box breaks an intelligent way of accumulating PC items and making money in the process, then you're out of you're mind.
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08-13-2009, 09:02 AM #12
When you go to the movies, and drop $12 to see Transformers 2, why did you do it? You got no return on your money.
When you pay the cable/dish bill, and drop $80+ for a months worth of viewing, why did you do it? You got no return on your money.
When you drop $150+ to go see the Leafs play, or $8.75 to go see the Coyotes play, why did you do it? There's no return on that money.
In all these cases, the money is gone. You won't get it back.
....But you were entertained. Or at least that's the idea. Same with busting wax. Busting wax is a unique combination of gambling, investing, and entertainment. It leans far more heavily towards the gambling/entertainment end of things, but there is a small investment component to it as well, especially for big wax breakers. At the end of the day, the reality is, what you get back from your breaks financially, determines the cost of your entertainment.
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08-13-2009, 09:55 AM #13
thats basically my point . you bust wax you bust cases coz you have a motive or target. everyone has its own way of dealing with their boxes.
you break boxes to get what you want and what is it you want ... you are the only one that can tell. if you dont get it recycle what you got , try to maximize your breaks profits then move on.
the hobby is the biggest cover up gambling.
others will basically say that i do this for fun . yup the fun that one day the cards that i have will bring huge returns.
big box breaker and other high stake rollers bust tons of cases of these high enders for the thrill. it could be for attention or fame that they be known in the hobby community. eventually they sell what they got to roll the money so they can sustain their thrill of busting boxes.
one more thing when you bust cases you "HOPE" to get the big hits, but you dont "EXPECT" to get them.
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08-13-2009, 10:00 AM #14Hockey Advisor
There's no question that buying singles is a much more cost effective way to go. Especially if you don't collect a higher end guy. I spent less money last year on Ranford Cup singles (Foundations Quad Jersey / Foundations Quad Patch / Foundations Quad Jersey & Auto / Limited Logos / Emblems of Endorsement) than I would have buying a single Tin of the product.
Could I have bought a couple of them anyway? Yes. But that extra money was better off being spend elsewhere.
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08-13-2009, 10:16 AM #15
I think this says it all....nicely done. I totally agree with everything said here and I am also that rare collector that only buys two products all year. I buy UD BLACK at the beginning and then THE CUP at the end. I used to buy all of the other stuff in between, until I calculated all of the money spent and saw what I had collected and realized that I could have just spent that same amount of money on a Carey Price The Cup RC...and taken a 7-day cruise. It wasn't pretty....but a good learning experience.
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08-13-2009, 10:21 AM #16
See my posts on page one, kind of the same idea although indirectly stated.
I totally agree with how you do things, especially since my two main PC guys are pretty inexpensive and my son's guy is pretty cheap as well relative to the Crosby's of the world.
I used to be a HUGE wax buster but when I started team/player collections it wasn't cost efficient for me anymore to do both. I chose the singles route and have stayed the course.
I must admit even that has been somewhat difficult with the unreal amount of saturation on the market these days thanks to UD's 20-30 annual releases.
In the back of my mind I do hope there will come a year in collecting when either I have a lot of extra disposable income and/or the players I collect have next to no cards to chase so I can bust a few cases throughout the year, preferably ITG Ultimate and maybe some Cup and Black.
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08-13-2009, 11:06 AM #17
Alright, but still, you keep mentioning the two phrases in bold as your motives for box breaking: Getting PC items and the anticipation of making money. Now this can be achieved much, much more efficiently with a combination of buying singles + going to the casino.
I mean I look at it this way, if you genuinely love breaking the boxes because it gives you a thrill and you're comfortable with the realization that you'll most likely lose money, then that's completely fine. My point is that if you're only in it for PC items and money, why torture yourself like this?.
At least admit that you enjoy opening the boxes and recognize that part of the initial cost of the box will inevitably be allocated to the amusement of breaking it. It just seems that you only want these two things, so my logical response would be to tell you to find a more efficient way of accomplishing them, which I did.
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08-13-2009, 11:08 AM #18Hockey Advisor
Yeah, I think your posts have nailed it pretty good. Even for cheaper "mid-end" products (like UD1 & UD2)..... unless you actually want to put together the base set (and I do, so I'll bust a few boxes) there is no financial sense in buying a lot of wax. No doubt the big RC this season is going to be Tavares. What's his YG going to sell for? $100, maybe $120?? Maybe even $150. I don't know.
Point is.... you've pretty much got to be busting 10 boxes to give yourself a great shot at getting one. At $100 a box, that's a lot of coin. Buy two boxes, get a base set.... a good start on the YGs, and then buy the singles you need to finish it of (JT or otherwise).
Don't get me wrong.... I enjoy busting wax. It's a lot of fun. If you're actually trying to put together a base set.... it's still worth while. I just don't see how people (unless they've got lots of disposable income, and obviously some of them do) can justify busting stuff like UD Black / The Cup / OPC Premier. You know that you're going to pull some base that you don't care about, and likely a bunch of 'hits' of players you don't really collect. Some nice cards? You bet. If you can get one that you can sell for two thirds (or more) of the cost of your tin (box, whatever) then I guess you've acquired the rest of the cards at a pretty reasonable price.... It's just that while I've seen a lot of "good" tin breaks from The Cup, I've seen very few where I think the buster could have got close to his money back in singles sales.
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08-13-2009, 03:02 PM #19
If people didnt break it, you wouldnt be able to buy the singles.
Not everyone is in the hobby to make money.
For example, I like ripping new product and wasting money.
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08-13-2009, 03:25 PM #20
Yeah, but there's so many people that blindly break these boxes that there exists an overwhelming amount of cards on the market. I'm just saying why not take advantage of that?
See, now this is a great answer and a perfectly legitimate reason for breaking the boxes, albeit the enjoyment of wasted money is a little odd.
But, you see, he said in his post that his reasons for breaking boxes were getting PC items and saving/making money, and he downplayed the "fun" aspect of it. Therefore, I really see no purpose of opening the boxes.
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Originally Posted by mrconie 
