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10-13-2009, 10:32 PM #21
Yes this is the common terminology from English. Science has a different definition and standard. Although if you noticed in definition 3, it states that facts hinge on evidence. This would be the best definition for science. A fact is a truth statement in science, but it can be true or false. It is up to the scientist to prove it.
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10-13-2009, 10:39 PM #22
gotcha
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10-14-2009, 03:33 AM #23
Science has be proven wrong by....science. But my religion as never been PROOVEN wrong.
At the same time, I will never be able to PROOVE my religion right. Yes, I'm aware of that. So I have to bring in that word that everyone hates......FAITH.
Religion is based on faith. You have it or you dont. No argument there.
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10-14-2009, 09:10 AM #24
Totally does not make sense. If man is the master specimen of apes and monkeys why do they apes and monkeys still exist. Does Not evolution mean they have changed from creature to another? How can you even compare the intelligence of humans apes.
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10-14-2009, 09:20 AM #25
Your religion says that earth is a flat disc covered by a crystal dome held above water by pillars, with heaven up in the clouds between the earth and the dome, hell in the ground beneath the surface of the earth, and the sun is just a light up in the dome that orbits the earth. I'm pretty sure that's been proven wrong. And don't try to claim otherwise, or else you've either never read Genesis.
At the same time, I will never be able to PROOVE my religion right. Yes, I'm aware of that. So I have to bring in that word that everyone hates......FAITH.
Religion is based on faith. You have it or you dont. No argument there.
I'd like you to take a look at this video.
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10-14-2009, 09:27 AM #26
and i'd like you to take a look at this video to better understand Genesis.
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10-14-2009, 10:13 AM #27
gbm- according to your video, the guy makes too large of a leap. Im not saying you have to believe. But it is irrational to say that countless "logically impossible" beings can't exist. So, if your logic says that there can be no supreme being then that is fact? The video talks about an existence beyond our universe and imagination. If that is what we are dealing with then we can't claim that a supreme being is illogical.
the video talks about proof while we keep saying it is about faith and not proof.
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10-14-2009, 10:58 AM #28
So what then...you think it's possible for there to be impossible beings? The existence beyond our universe he mentions is purely theoretical, just like a supreme being. We have no evidence that either one exist. If it's possible there is an existence beyond our universe, then it may be possible there is a supreme being, but if those things are possible, then it may also be possible that there are beings that are simultaneously corporeal and non-corporeal, cold-blooded endotherms, and dogs that are four-legged and five-legged at the same time.
And I keep saying that if you don't have proof, then your beliefs are utterly and completely groundless, and anyone can dismiss them as easily as they could dismiss the idea that dogs could be four-legged and five-legged at the same time.
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10-14-2009, 10:10 PM #29
This is where you are confused. Humans, monkeys, and apes have a common ancestor. We are cousins. Humans are old world apes that developed intelligence, which lead to full self-awareness. I find it interesting that humans developed intelligence.
Apes, monkeys, and humans can all be on the earth at the same time with evolution. A species that is well suited for their environment will not die out.
Evolution does mean that you change from a creature to another but how do you define this event?
A species is a group that can only breed within their group/species. Speciation happens
when a common group can no longer breed with each other. There have been 23 speciation events observed since we started looking. Apes and humans can not breed because they have gotten enough mutations that they are different.
How does speciation happen?
A similar group separates to different environments. The pressure of the environment (natural selection) selects for the mutations that benefits the most offspring being born. If the single species stays separated long enough, they will no longer be able to interbreed. They are now different species.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
http://iai.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/73/12/8353
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosit...eciation.shtml
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...c4b720c85feb61
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10-15-2009, 12:43 AM #30
I know the criticism I will hear from other people. People are not flies or mice. Anyone who states this fact is ignoring two issues that makes the comparison different.
1) Generation time- Humans live about 60-110 years now. Fly generations are about a week. Mice generations are around a few months. If a species reproduces faster, mutations occur faster. Speciation would happen faster. Since humans take a longer time to develop, humans will take longer to change to a different species. All humans are very similar right now based on our DNA.
2) Humans control the environment better than any species before us. Our self-awareness and intelligence allow us to develop advanced technology. Technology that can change environments. In the U.S., most of us live in some sort of prefabricated shelter. Before species were in the wild against the environment. If we take ourselves out of the selective pressure( a little) with our intelligence, evolution slows down. Abberations start to accumulate. Examples of this would be Michael Phelps and the little child that is very muscular. Read the news people.
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Originally Posted by champ1985 
