Updated UD 1 Pricing news

[achangeofspeed]

Whats are the BV's? You think the roller marks, which I personally have not seen, are inflating the prices of those without?

[RGM81]

With older cards, yes, the newer ones tend to go a lot higher of course, often in the 80%-100% of HI value range--I wonder why if a card sells out of the gate at $100 it gets a BV of $100? My view is that the guide should reflect what the card is doing at that time period. The OPG claims to be using real-time values; well, I have never seen a Tavares YG regularly and consistently sell for less than $60--indeed, that's usually the starting point for them. Sure, there's been one or two, but they're likely hastily-done BIN/OBO where the seller needed some quick cash. Yet somehow $60 was the initial high value that they had posted yesterday. It defies any sense of logic.

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[RGM81]

Whats are the BV's? You think the roller marks, which I personally have not seen, are inflating the prices of those without?

We can not disclose those figures.

[30ranfordfan]

I don't follow the logic here.

You're right, most buys on eBay can be had for 30-40% of the HI BV. A card that lists for $100 in Beckett will often be sold for only $30 or $40 on eBay. What's the cause of this though?

Is this a case of Beckett reporting values that are actually substantially higher than eBay sale values, or is it a case of buyers only being willing to pay a set fraction of Beckett prices?

My opinion is its the first one.

I remember a thread a while back (can't remember the card) where someone was complaining that they paid $100 on auction for it, and then beckett placed a value of only $120 on it. They were upset because to them, this now meant "my card will only sell for $30". That's crazy talk. The fact that he just won an auction and the card cost him $100, tells me that someone else was willing to pay very close to that $100 sale price.

I agree with you. YGs are the first RCs to hit the market of many of the top rookies of the year (Black and Artifacts have redemptions, but that's not the same thing) so their prices out of the gate are higher than they will be in 6 months, or a year. I can tell you for a fact: Put together a set of YGs from 05-06, 06-07 or 07-08 and watch how much it costs you compared to what an 09-10 set will cost. It has little to do with a supposed "strong RC class" and everything to do with demand. Right now these cards are hot. Like they always are in November / December. By the time spring and summer of 2010 rolls around.... the set builders will have finished their sets, and RC collectors will be after the SPA, SPx, Cup, etc RCs of these players. The sale values will drop.

That doesn't make the current prices reports wrong, that just means they need to adjust them over time.

My point is this: If Tavares is selling in the $80-$100 range, then his BV should be in the $80-$100 range. Not $300 so that people can expect to pay 1/3 of the listed price. They should be listing the real price.

In 6 months, if Tavares is only selling in the $30-$60 range, then Beckett (or any other price guide) should lower the values they publish.

The problem isn't the high price that people are willing to pay right off the bat. The problem is that you can't take sale values of cards when they're brand new, and expect those values to hold up as current sale values over time.

my point is that when the new yg's start to sell on ebay, they go too Hi in my opinion because everybody just have to get them and bid over the price they are worth

most buys on ebay can be had for 30-40% of a bv of a card( so bv 100 can be got for about 30) atleast thats the trend I see and have dealt with

so if travres is selling for 80-100 range thats means his bv should be?( 300??)

I dont think so

ebay prices dont reflect what the bv will be of a card, but just my opinion sure others my think the same or differently

enjoy trading

[30ranfordfan]

The fact that the roller mark problem is out there, I'm sure is causing mint cards to have a better sale value than they otherwise would have.

Whats are the BV's? You think the roller marks, which I personally have not seen, are inflating the prices of those without?

[todtz79]

what about the sp jersey cards what some people were buying them for and what they book for some people were paying 3x what the bv a few of them are marc staal and toews that i noticed

[Goose97]

I have to completely agree with 30ranfordfan in every aspect.

You have a card that is fresh, and immediately in demand. Everyone is talking about it, and most everyone wants to get a hold of one.

There are those of us that collect the set. I busted a case, got all but three, and traded for those. I will have the set after UD sends all them back after they replace them for the roller damage. I have 20 doubles to trade after that. Only problem when I actually do get them is that most everyone will have their sets completed, and Rookie collectors will have them as well. I will miss out on this for "sell value". but because of the guide they will have a "trade value".

It is really a crapshoot for anyone to use a price guide on any new product because the cards in the overall set values change every day. Depending on who's collecting it, and who's got what they want.

I don't use ebay, but I do look through it constantly, and I do see cards that go through untouched regularly. Mostly older cards 90's to 2004. Unless it's something you don't see too often that someone finally decided to offload. there is really no action on those prints.

I mean really what do you really think most people are looking for when it comes to cards? Obviously what all the talk is about! We have a mentality to go after what the masses are after, and we gotta beat someone out to get it, and then we finally get it, and we eventually look for what's next. Call us card gluttons. This is the logic, and this is why values eventually drop. Why should the values stay high if we don't want/need it anymore.

I also think this as to Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, and Patrick Roy cards. Sure they have high trade values, but unless it's a new print or a Rookie of these players, they never get any action, but they hold a "premium trade value"

That is why it's very hard to justify using a guide such as Beckett to get a clear picture as to what would be fair for trades on fresh product, and definitely should never be used as a buy/sell guide. One way of looking at it is to see what's happening live on ebay, and go from there. Figure it out for yourself. Always ask yourself. What am I willing to give up to get what I want.