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[sanfran22]

I don't. I left a bar just a few weeks ago because the people in there were turning the place into a death trap. My eyes were burning for 10 minutes after I left. I have no intentions of going back.

And that is your choice. I don't think we have the right to tell that bar it has to be non-smoking (this coming from someone that has never smoked).

[duane1969]

And that is your choice. I don't think we have the right to tell that bar it has to be non-smoking (this coming from someone that has never smoked).

I agree. But I also think that it would be unreasonable if evey establishment allowed smoking and there was no such place as somewhere to eat or have drinks without having to breathe smoke. A smoker's right to smoke should not override my right to breathe reasonably clean air. If I want to breathe cig smoke then I will start smoking.

And if we were talking about "just smoke" I would see it differently too. But we are not. Cigarette smoke is loaded with poisons and carcinogens. We are not talking about wood smoke or smoke from burning leaves. This is toxic smoke. If this same smoke was pouring out of a factory/plant exhaust stack then the EPA would regulate it out of business or fine them into oblivion or outright shut them down for pollution and health hazards...

[sanfran22]

I agree. But I also think that it would be unreasonable if evey establishment allowed smoking and there was no such place as somewhere to eat or have drinks without having to breathe smoke. A smoker's right to smoke should not override my right to breathe reasonably clean air. If I want to breathe cig smoke then I will start smoking.

And if we were talking about "just smoke" I would see it differently too. But we are not. Cigarette smoke is loaded with poisons and carcinogens. We are not talking about wood smoke or smoke from burning leaves. This is toxic smoke. If this same smoke was pouring out of a factory/plant exhaust stack then the EPA would regulate it out of business or fine them into oblivion or outright shut them down for pollution and health hazards...

But it's not the smokers right in question. It's the business owners right to decide what kind of establishment he wants. Plain and simple. Believe me, I hate smoke and like that there is none, but I don't like it being mandated to private individuals how to conduct their business...

[Star_Cards]

I'm glad that you ditched the habit. My girlfriend and I have been working on getting her mother to quit for years now. In regards to the smoker's rights issue, I think you're spot on. We all have to live on this planet, and we all have to strike compromises. One side can't always be sacrificing, and that's how I feel about smokers. We're not far away from only allowing them to smoke at home or in their cars. It's a free country, and they have as much of a right to smoke as I have to not smoke.

they have the right to smoke, but they don't have the right to make others sit in their smoke. I get both sides argument of the debate and you can easily say that no one makes the other person sit in a restaurant next to a smoker. I guess my thing is one compromise effects everyone health and the other compromise doesn't. Forcing places like restaurants to be non smoking though isn't needed in my opinion.

[Star_Cards]

If the business wants smoking or trumpet playing, it's their choice. You don't have to frequent the business.

I agree that a businesses should be able to allow smoking or not. If they want to they should have every right. As a non smoker I can decide if I want to eat in a place that will have a guy smoking right next to me. When I go to bars I know it's going to be there so I make the choice if I want to go or not.

[sanfran22]

I agree that a businesses should be able to allow smoking or not. If they want to they should have every right. As a non smoker I can decide if I want to eat in a place that will have a guy smoking right next to me. When I go to bars I know it's going to be there so I make the choice if I want to go or not.

This is the problem I have with the law.

[habsheaven]

I agree that a businesses should be able to allow smoking or not. If they want to they should have every right. As a non smoker I can decide if I want to eat in a place that will have a guy smoking right next to me. When I go to bars I know it's going to be there so I make the choice if I want to go or not.

What else should a business be able to allow? Does it apply to topless waitresses or strippers? Is there a line to be crossed, or none at all?

[mrveggieman]

What else should a business be able to allow? Does it apply to topless waitresses or strippers? Is there a line to be crossed, or none at all?

I wouldn't be mad if the made all strip clubs non smoking well at least the dancers.

[duane1969]

What else should a business be able to allow? Does it apply to topless waitresses or strippers? Is there a line to be crossed, or none at all?

Businesses wouldn' be regulated by health codes, safety codes, labor laws or be required to provide handicapped access either.

But I like the topless/stripper idea. It would make a visit to the McDonald's drive thru a lot more enjoyable.

[andrewhoya]

Businesses wouldn' be regulated by health codes, safety codes, labor laws or be required to provide handicapped access either.

But I like the topless/stripper idea. It would make a visit to the McDonald's drive thru a lot more enjoyable.

You must have the good employees. We have all of the old retired guys.