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[AUTaxMan]

I see going to a Catholic university and going to a church as two total different things. I went to Ohio State and I had disagreements with alot of my teaches (comp studies, psych ect). I was going there to get an education for a job. A church is a spiritual education if you will. You go there to grow in your faith. If you didn't believe it, why would you attend it? Unless it was for show like previously stated....

Agreed. You cannot equate the two.

[pghin08]

I see going to a Catholic university and going to a church as two total different things. I went to Ohio State and I had disagreements with alot of my teaches (comp studies, psych ect). I was going there to get an education for a job. A church is a spiritual education if you will. You go there to grow in your faith. If you didn't believe it, why would you attend it? Unless it was for show like previously stated....

That's not my whole point though. My point is that you can disagree with certain aspects of a church or any other organization, but their core beliefs bring you a sense of peace and understanding. Though truly, universities and churches aren't wildly different. Like you said, both are educational and you are free to leave a university just the same way that you can a church.

And to address the "church for show" issue. I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. I don't doubt that he's religious in ways, but I don't think that his faith really guides his politics.

[pghin08]

Agreed. You cannot equate the two.

I disagree. However, we're straying from the original topic here.

[mrveggieman]

I went to college, have a job with a supervisor and have a bishop that I see in church almost every week. My point is in all of those places work, school church there is no one from teachers, to supervisors to even my bishop himself that I have agreed with everything 100% even though most of what my bishop says is on point. If you are trying to suggest that President Obama is racist because of his bishop one could suggest that all christians are racist because of racists preachers like jerry fallwell and all of his running mates.

[sanfran22]

I went to college, have a job with a supervisor and have a bishop that I see in church almost every week. My point is in all of those places work, school church there is no one from teachers, to supervisors to even my bishop himself that I have agreed with everything 100% even though most of what my bishop says is on point. If you are trying to suggest that President Obama is racist because of his bishop one could suggest that all christians are racist because of racists preachers like jerry fallwell and all of his running mates.

Explain to me how you equate the two....Pres Obama is one man who voluntarily attends a wack-o church. Christianity is a whole lot of people that do not necessarily attend Fallwells (one man's ) church or subscribe to his beliefs. That's comparing one man's choice to a whole religion. Kind of like saying Christians, Catholics, Mormons are all the same....Now if you want to say that those that attend Fallwells church are the same as Obama, you'd at least have an argument.

[AUTaxMan]

I went to college, have a job with a supervisor and have a bishop that I see in church almost every week. My point is in all of those places work, school church there is no one from teachers, to supervisors to even my bishop himself that I have agreed with everything 100% even though most of what my bishop says is on point. If you are trying to suggest that President Obama is racist because of his bishop one could suggest that all christians are racist because of racists preachers like jerry fallwell and all of his running mates.

Sorry. Jerry Falwell did not pastor me for 20 years, did not marry me, did not baptize my children, and did not act as my personal spiritual adviser.

[mrveggieman]

Explain to me how you equate the two....Pres Obama is one man who voluntarily attends a wack-o church. Christianity is a whole lot of people that do not necessarily attend Fallwells (one man's ) church or subscribe to his beliefs. That's comparing one man's choice to a whole religion. Kind of like saying Christians, Catholics, Mormons are all the same....Now if you want to say that those that attend Fallwells church are the same as Obama, you'd at least have an argument.

I get it is ok to lump all muslims together because of nuts like bin laden (even though he is only 1 out of 1 billion muslims) but you must never lump all christians together because bigots like fallwell do not represent christians as a whole and whenever he put his foot in his mouth he is only speaking his personal views. I glad that you cleared that up for the discussion board.

[sanfran22]

I get it is ok to lump all muslims together because of nuts like bin laden (even though he is only 1 out of 1 billion muslims) but you must never lump all christians together because bigots like fallwell do not represent christians as a whole and whenever he put his foot in his mouth he is only speaking his personal views. I glad that you cleared that up for the discussion board.

No, whole nations of people subscribe to that theory. I don't think whole nations subscribe to the Fallwells or Phelps ect... Once more, look at the two religions and draw your own conclusions. Compare the life of Jesus to that of Mohammed and lmk what you find. Both were considered "prophets" by Islam. Compare the teachings and instructions. Compare the overall treatment of people... You really have to figure this out. As I have hashed out a thousand times for those that are either ignorant or refuse to listen. One religion teaches conversion by force and another conversion by love and witness. How anyone could compare the two religions is asinine. There is only one, true way. If you don't believe that, don't call yourself Christian.

[AUTaxMan]

I get it is ok to lump all muslims together because of nuts like bin laden (even though he is only 1 out of 1 billion muslims) but you must never lump all christians together because bigots like fallwell do not represent christians as a whole and whenever he put his foot in his mouth he is only speaking his personal views. I glad that you cleared that up for the discussion board.

Nobody on this board is or has ever to my knowledge lumped all Muslims together as extremists. Many, many times, conservatives on this board have pointed out this FACT to you. You need to get it through your thick skull that the conservatives on this board do not believe this, even though you want to think we do.

[AUTaxMan]

Mods, I know the topic has changed course, but it's my thread, and I don't mind.